Author: KarinsDad
Date: 10:46:07 06/03/99
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On June 03, 1999 at 00:07:02, Prakash Das wrote: >On June 02, 1999 at 23:52:11, Prakash Das wrote: > >>On June 02, 1999 at 15:30:41, Tania Devora wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>What is the hardware for the 9th Wccc99 ? >>> >>>There are many strong computer programs that not go to participate in this >>>World championship , like Chessmaster6000, and many others. >>> >>>I think that this is not a fair play . Cilkchess and others programs will run is >>>a Super machines, is evident that could win easy. >>> >>>For me all the programs, will run in the same computer with the same ram memory. >>> >>>Is the only way to see the real strengh of the program. >>> >>>For example Fritz5.32 in a Pentium III 500 MHZ could beat Fritz5.32 (pentium 200 >>>mmx) , for a big score. >> >> >> Tania, you are wasting your breath. A while back, I started a thread called >>"Uneven hardware for wmcc?" in which I questioned the purpose of this >>self-congratulatory exercise. >> Most of teh replies went like this: it's fun, it's like creating a Mount >>Olympus of chess programs, we are coming with the meanest baddest machine, etc >>etc. No one really cared about addressing the real point: what the hell is going >>to be accomplished. >> So, sit back, and get ready for a few yawns. You will see the same old programs >>which are at "top of charts" decimate the others (not bad programs necessarily) >>running on weak hardware. >> If we tried to solve cancer in this "scientific" manner, there's no hope for >>living beings. > > Well, following up on myself. I thought this was obvious, but as in my previous >post on that other thread, let's say program A on big bad hardware B, beat >program D on weaker hardware E. What did this prove? Wins and losses are all >relative, and so will be the standings later on. What kind of Mount Olympus did >we scale (Karinsdad)?? It is a mirage where we appear to have created a super >"playing system". But this would have achieved by beating another on weaker >hardware. Next day, the result will be different. > > Let's hold a WMCC everyday with changing hardware. That way, we will create >tons of mount Olympus! How much scientific advancement was created by man stepping on the moon? Well, from the point of view of most people, quite a bit. We now have satellite technology, cellular phones, microwave ovens, personal computers, and a lot of other technology that can be directly linked to that one competition. Do you think that both the US and the Soviets said, "Hey, we can only use this type of rocket fuel or these types of seats in the spacecraft."? No, they experimented with a lot of different designs and ideas until they came up with ones that worked for them. Do you think that Deep Blue would have EVER existed if not for Belle and HiTech being allowed to compete on different hardware platforms? The advancement of man is not always limited to black and white scientific experiments. Has anyone said "Hey, Prakash is wrong. Comparing programs on the same hardware and under the same configurations is stupid."? No, they said that for this event, it is both traditional and it makes sense to find out which program/hardware combination is the best every three years. Prakash, most of the people on this forum will congratulate you if you put up the money for and follow through on a scientific experiment like you propose. However, they do not necessarily appreciate you putting down a traditional event because you do not like how it is being run. By doing this, you are attempting to stifle innovation and competition. Can you not understand why that would correspond to many people on this forum opposing your idea? Can you not also understand that there would not be 30 competitors in this year's event if most of the programmers felt the same as you? Your idea is not a bad idea. It just is not a good idea with respect to the WCCC or WMCCC. That's all. Set up your own major tournament under the conditions that you propose and you will be a hero here. And at the same time, you can get more of the data that you desire. Grumble about it without doing anything and hero will not be the label that most people place on you. KarinsDad :)
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