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Subject: Re: a simple draw that programs do not see

Author: blass uri

Date: 12:24:14 06/04/99

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On June 04, 1999 at 13:34:16, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On June 04, 1999 at 04:27:15, blass uri wrote:
>>On June 03, 1999 at 17:03:08, blass uri wrote:
>>>6k1/r6p/4PQp1/8/5PP1/4K2P/8/r7 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>This position(from Shep's games) is a simple draw by perpetual check.
>>>
>>>The last move of white (Hiarcs7) was e6 and it could not see the simple
>>>perpetual check.
>>>
>>>I know that some other programs also fail to see this simple tactics.
>>>
>>>How much time do your program need to give the position evaluation of 0.00?
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Programs need to see more than 60 plies to see the repetition and this example
>>proves that seeing more than 60 plies forward may be practically important in
>>chess.
>>
>>Humans have no problem to see more than 60 plies forward and only computers have
>>this problem.
>With 11 pawns+pieces still on the board, there is no program that will find
>this, I think.  60 plies forward is a big chore for me.  If you can do it with
>no problem, then I don't want to have to play you!

Usually in games I cannot see 60 plies forward but this is a simple case because
the white king can visit 30 squares

possible line that I can see is R7a3+(The only logical check,otherwise the king
is going to escape to h4)  Kf2 R1a2+(again the only logical check) Kg1 Ra1+
Kh2 Ra2+ Kh1 Ra1+ Kg2 R1a2+ Kf1 Ra1+ Ke2 R3a2+(black must  play with R3 in this
move or later otherwise white is going to play with the king to b1)
and now the king go to the squares
d3,e4,e5,d6,e7,e8,d7,d8,c7,b8,b7,b6,b5,b4,b3,c2,c3,c4,c5,c6,d5,d4,d5
and black do checks with the rook that is not at a1.

Uri




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