Author: KarinsDad
Date: 16:18:28 06/08/99
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On June 08, 1999 at 18:31:36, Bruce Moreland wrote:
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>>In the case I brought up, Bruce restored the message, not the original poster
>>who made it, and said that if it was deleted again that he would repost it
>>again. Yes, he was thumbing his nose at the moderation. Assume that you email
>>him personally, and he is unwilling to relent. What will you do?
>> a) ban him
>> b) let the restored post survive
>> c) continue deleting it as many times as necessary
>> d) other?
>
>You guys are getting somewhat confused. The post you are talking about is
>*mine*. I wrote a post. It contained no offensive content. It was deleted. I
>put it back and I threatened to put it back again.
Well, if by "You guys" you are referring to me as well, I was only responding to
hypothetical questions and did not mention any names, so how could I be
confused?
So you think that it is perfectly reasonable for the original poster to be
allowed to make the decision on whether his post is offensive, he should be able
to decide that the post can be re-posted, he should be allowed to do that, and
he should be allowed to threaten to put it back if it is deleted a second time.
Are you positive that this is the type of behavior that you want from everyone,
or is it just acceptable from reasonable people such as yourself? And if so, who
makes the call on who is reasonable and who is not?
Don't you think that Emailing Steve and the moderators is a more sensible course
of action than the one you took? Isn't Emailing the first course of action that
you would want other posters to take if you are elected moderator and they
consider re-posting their deleted messages?
>
>I vaguely remember putting someone else's post back, in the sense that I quoted
>it to show that there was nothing offensive in it, but I can't find this post,
>and I looked for it. It is possible that this post didn't exist, but I doubt
>it. In retrospect I should have gotten permission to put it back.
>
>If anyone out there really thinks that either of these posts *should* have been
>deleted, please let me know.
>
>Reading the group at that point was like listening to a radio station that was
>breaking up. You heard every other word, because things were being deleted as
>fast as they were being written. It was a terrible time, I think, and I was not
>the only one who was extremely upset about how things were being conducted.
>
>>Back to the hypothetical, let's say that somebody thumbs their nose at you next
>>time? ("Some person who refuses to even tell me who they _are_ decided that my
>>message was unworthy and deleted it. I see nothing wrong with it, and I'm
>>reposting it, and will continue to do so if it disappears again.") You can
>>choose from the same options as above.
>
>If the moderators start hashing people, and these people complain, and the
>complaints are deleted, then what are we *supposed* to do here? How do we
>discuss this kind of thing if the discussion keeps disappearing? Form some
>underground email discussion group on the subject of moderators? Is that
>*really* what people expect to happen when things get out of control?
What is wrong with Emailing Steve and the moderators and letting them take a
first crack at deciding if people are getting "hashed"? Do you really believe
that Steve would continuously allow the type of behavior that you are describing
from the moderators? Of course things can get out of control at times for short
periods. It did on the day you are talking about. Does that mean that it has
happened on every day since then? Does that mean that people have been overly
oppressed since then? I think not.
>
>>AFAIK, neither Will nor Bruce have any dislike for each other. Moderation is a
>>tough job, but when it's all said and done neither of them are going to hold any
>>grudges about it.
>
>I think that Will thinks that I dislike him. As far as I am concerned Will is
>two different people. He is the guy who posts those *excellent* u2600 posts,
>which I always make it a point to read. And he's the guy who is very quick on
>the delete button. As of 1-Jul this second one goes away, and I don't have any
>interest in remembering this stuff beyond then. It would be different,
>possibly, if we had met in person, but communication here is so one-dimensional
>that it is hard to form any lasting opinion about people.
>
>Moderation is a terrible job.
No disagreement there.
KarinsDad :)
>
>bruce
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