Author: Melvin S. Schwartz
Date: 14:42:03 06/09/99
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On June 09, 1999 at 09:49:40, Shep wrote: >On June 09, 1999 at 06:36:07, Baldomero Garcia, Jr. wrote: > >>On June 08, 1999 at 08:54:02, Shep wrote: >> >>> Hiarcs 7.32 >>> Chessmaster 5555 >>I would agree that a preliminary match between cm5555 and cm6000 is in order to >>determine the player. I would much rather see cm6000 play, since it's the >>latest version. > >1) I'd rather have the strongest, not the latest version participate. :) >2) Preliminaries between different versions of the same program is pretty >pointless to me. Because if the programmer has mostly tested against his >previous versions, the new one is only fine-tuned against this one opponent (I >know Johan does not work this way, but it's a principle to me). > >Either 5555 AND 6000 will play or 5555 alone. > >>> Chess Tiger 11.5 >>> Chess Tiger 11.9 >>Other people said it already: I'd much rather see only one version of this >>program, even if it was the champion last year. > >Seems the majority sees it that way. But this is not an election, sorry. ;-) >If Christophe steps forward and says "I'm also in favour of dropping 11.5", I >will do it, but if not, I'll rather keep it. > >>> Chess System Tal II >>Has this program performed well vs other programs? I haven't heard much about >>it. > >A couple of programs I have not been able to test (because I bought them just a >few days/weeks ago) will play without prior 'quality tests', simply based on >their good reputation. CSTal, Shredder, Nimzo and LGGold fall in this category. > >>> Shredder 3.0 >>> Nimzo 99 >>> Fritz 5.32 >>> Rebel 10.0a EOC >>I'd say the author of the program should decide which version should play >>(whether it's the a, b, c or d version) > >Remember this is not WCCC (or WMCCC or UWMCCC), so I have a different approach >to this matter. Of course, if Ed insists he wants 10d (or 10.5, wink, wink :-) >in it, I'll do it because I respect the fact he knows Rebel best. >But 10c is out of the question. :) > >>> Junior 5.0 >>> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (The final competitor remains to be >>> (XXXXXXX XXXXXX, announced.) >>> XXX) >>So, who's the top SSDF/Selective Search program that's not included? Whichever >>one it is should fill this spot. > >Whoops. That would be Fritz 5.16. Ah, but no-one wants two instances of the >same... ;-) >Or Rebel 9 - wait, no... Nimzo 98... hmmmm... Hiarcs 6... Aaargh!! >Seems everyone is already there in their newest version. :-) > >As I said, MChess is my #1 choice for the final slot (CM 6000 being the #2). >Both 7 and 8 haven't played too successfully at SCCS so far (except at faster >time controls). >But if Marty doesn't come up with 9 beta, I will probably have MCP8 in. >Or play a qualifier series MCHess 8 vs. CM 6000. (Sounds good to me. Maybe I >will already start it today.) > >I will not make a final decision about these issues (Tiger 11.5 in/out, Rebel >10a/10d, CM6000/MCP8) until the starting date anyway (this will be sometime >during the week starting on June 21st). > I personally think you should include CM6000 regardless of what your match between MCP8 and CM6000 reveal. In fact, they probably both belong in your tournament. I also feel it isn't right to have the two Chess Tiger programs because that isn't fair to the others - except for Chessmaster because your version is not comercially available and is your own modification of an older CM5500. Chessmaster 6000 is rated quite highly by the SSDF. Is their rating system so bad and CM6000 that bad as well? I think a lot of us would like to know how CM6000 would do in your tournament regardless if MCP8 wins the qualifier. Put them both in and take out one Tiger. You intend to have Rebel 10 and both Tigers. Isn't Ed Schroeder associated with all of them? Is it right to have 3 programs from Ed? I believe the credibility of your tournament will be hurt some if you don't include CM6000. By the way, you should know I don't own CM6000 or any other version of Chessmaster. To me it's just a matter of what I believe to be right - and meaningful to many, many people here. Mel >--- >Shep
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