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Subject: Re: How will engines get much better?

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 18:09:24 06/11/99

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On June 11, 1999 at 20:45:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 11, 1999 at 10:33:46, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On June 10, 1999 at 22:54:59, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On June 10, 1999 at 19:20:27, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>><snipped>
>>>>Hello Uri,
>>>>Most of the time I agree with you.  Sometimes you are way out in left field.
>>>>This is one of the left field days in my opinion.  The programs are calculating
>>>>perfectly logical lines according to what the programmers told them is logical.
>>>>I have watched Fritz calculate 12 plies full width and 36 plies selective in a
>>>>game/30 time frame.  At this time control it plays better than 99.99% of all
>>>>humans.  Until you can do this I suggest you accept the fact that Fritz
>>>>/Junior/Chessmaster/Hiarcs etc. are not as "Stupid" as you like to say they are.
>>>
>>>They are better than humans only because of the fact that they are faster and
>>>have a perfect memory.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>OR: They are better than humans because humans are slow and have a poor memory.
>>The important point is "They are better" and not stupid.  Or, if they are stupid
>>then what does that make humans? (Besides their creators)
>>Also, they will continue to get better but most of us humans have leveled off
>>and will only get worse with failing memories and poor concentration in our
>>later years.
>>Jim Walker
>
>
>I think what he meant is that there is _much_ room for improvement in the
>search...  Because present searches search millions of positions to make up
>their mind and then lose to a GM that may look at 100 before he chooses a
>move...

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I know, and that's the most encouraging part.  People like Uri, and even myself
on accasion can see faults in their performance (Computers) which means they
have a lot of room for improvement.  If I didn't see faults with their
search/performance then I would tend to believe that the only thing left is
hardware speed.  But this is obviously not the case.
Jim Walker
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