Author: Melvin S. Schwartz
Date: 11:47:15 06/13/99
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On June 13, 1999 at 11:41:44, blass uri wrote: > >On June 13, 1999 at 10:12:56, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >> >>On June 12, 1999 at 16:38:34, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On June 12, 1999 at 16:02:53, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>I know that mark young believes that Hiarcs7 is better than Fritz5.32 >>>>>and Hiarcs7.32 is probably 25% faster than Hiarcs7. >>>> >>>>Hello Uri, >>>> >>>>For what it's worth, the SSDF testing between Hiarcs 7 and Fritz 5.32 in 40 >>>>games is Fritz 22 - Hiarcs 18. >>> >>>I know about this result. >>>In this case the games are public >>>This match was very close and Fritz5.32 won the last 3 games but hiarcs7.32 is >>>faster then Hiarcs7. >>> >>>I know that mark young believes that Hiarcs earns more from faster hardware. >>>He believes that Fritz5.32 is too aggresive and it can be a problem at long time >>>control. >>> >>> >>>>Unfortnately we can only speculate here because the 5.4 is not available to test >>>>against either Hiarcs or Fritz. >>> >>>It is available to me and I think to test it against Hiarcs7.32 >> >>Why not test it against Fritz 5.32 as well? >>I am not a Fritz 5.32 fanatic. I have both Fritz 5.32 and Hiarcs 7.32. It's just >>that I like to see meaningful testing of top programs with equal parameters for >>all.I should emphasize as equal as possible! > >I do not have unlimited time and I prefer to test Junior against the best >program. > >I believe that Hiarcs7.32 is now the best commercial program because I believe >that Hiarcs7.32 is better than Hiarcs7 and I also know that Hiarcs7 did very >good results in tournaments. > For someone who has often said "show me proof" I am surprised to hear you say "I believe" which is quite different than "fact". Tournaments? You know that SSDF's testing at 40/2 between Hiarcs 7 and Fritz 5.32 was 22-18 in Fritz's favor. Now that is fact. I have seen another tournament of ten games where the score was 6-4, again in favor of Fritz. Now that too is fact. I personally have no desire to say Fritz is better than Hiarcs 7; however, I cannot see how you can dispute the above results and say Hiarcs 7 is better because Mark Young's tests reveal that to you. That's like saying the heck with everyone else's results and let's just go by Mark Young's feeling or test results. I have a little problem with that. And I like Hiarcs better! However, as you say, "show me proof". I don't particularly enjoy defending Fritz; I only do so out of fairness to all. I wouldn't be the least surprised if Hiarcs 7.32 goes to number 1 on the SSDF rating list; in fact, I expect that will be the case. However, until both Hiarcs 7.32 and Fritz 5.32 square off in at least 40 games, we really are just using the hypothetical here, aren't we? Mel >Here are the facts that I read about Hiarcs7: > >1)It is not number 1 in the ssdf games but it is closed to be number 1 and I >believe that being 25% faster could push it to be number 1. > >I see some strange results in the ssdf games. > >I discovered that Hiarcs7 could not mate with bishop and knight against king in >the ssdf games when I read that the real hiarcs7 can do it. > >on the other side the 28.5:11.5 result against Junior5 seems strange to me >(we will see if tania and mark young can produce something close to it with >Hiarcs7.32) > > >2)It is number 1 in enrique's tournaments(40 minutes per 40 moves on 2 >identiacal pentium400 with 256M Ram) > >3)I also read that mark young evaluated Hiarcs7 as his favorite program based on >games against many programs and also at tournament time control and his Fritz >has no problem of not enough hash tables. > >Uri
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