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Subject: Re: Deep Blue Chip (consumer) is urban legend!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:04:22 06/13/99

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On June 13, 1999 at 16:28:42, Torstein Hall wrote:

>On June 13, 1999 at 13:54:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 13, 1999 at 12:00:28, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>Hard data: Beat kasparov in 1997 using 480 of thse things.  Current version
>>>>of the chip searches at 2-2.4M positions per second per chip.  Using an old
>>>>fab process.  Commercial version (.18 micron I think) will search at an
>>>>estimated 36M nodes per second per chip.  He could possible (for high-end
>>>>users) put maybe 4-8 of these chips on a PCI card.  Which would be about as
>>>>fast as the old deep blue hardware. Whether the PCI bus could sustain the
>>>>bandwidth to handle multiple cards is unknown to me...  but with search tuning
>>>>it could possible work...
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>Bob, as I've been following the DB jr. threads I've seen it mentioned that 4
>>>chips per PCI card would be the max. If 8 were a reality this would be very
>>>exciting as it would eclipse DB 97 in search speed.
>>>Sorry, I don't have access to IEEE journal but is this where the figure of 8
>>>possible chips per PCI card was mentioned?
>>>You also mentioned in another thread that DB jr. would be 400 points stronger
>>>than any micro programs of today. Was that assessment based on a 1 chip machine
>>>or the fully blown 8 chip screamer?
>>>Thanks
>>>Peter
>>
>>
>>It was a gross under-estimate.  In the IEEE paper, Hsu reported something like
>>a 38-2 result vs micros, using a _single_ 2.4M nodes per second chip, running
>>at about 10% of its normal speed.  So the new chip will be on the order of
>>150 times faster than that chip.  Only +400 would be embarassing for that
>>machine...
>>
>>As far as 8 chips per card, that was just a guess on my part...  Probably
>>depends on the physical size of the ASIC and support chips, plus current drain
>>limits on the PCI bus, plus bandwith at 100mhz (or maybe 133 by then).  If Hsu
>>said 4 in the article, then 4 it is...
>>
>>It will be something.  And I personally belive it will happen.  If you are a
>>WWF fan, I'll paraphrase Stone Cold Steve Austin:  "It will happen because Hsu
>>says so."  :)
>
>Not that it matters much, but I hope its your kids, not you! :-)
>
>Torstein


My 20-year old son in fact.  :)

Now get your roody-poo candy a** back to work there...

:)

Bob



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