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Subject: Re: WCCC round 4 predictions

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 17:40:12 06/15/99

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On June 15, 1999 at 19:32:03, KarinsDad wrote:

>On June 15, 1999 at 18:51:21, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On June 15, 1999 at 18:29:26, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>
>>>On June 15, 1999 at 18:20:24, Tom King wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 15, 1999 at 18:17:19, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 15, 1999 at 18:14:21, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>Why do you assume junior will beat hiarcs ?
>>>>>I see it as a toss up, but Junior is the #1 ranked program currently.
>>>>>The thing that amazes me is that P.ConNerS and Zugzwang are dead in the middle
>>>>>of the pack with a hundred times the horsepower of the other entries.
>>>>>!!
>>>>
>>>>but anything can happen in three rounds..let's see who is near the top after 7
>>>>rounds. Shame it can't be like the WMCCC, with 11 rounds.
>>>>
>>>>Rgds,
>>>>Tom
>>>
>>>I agree, the more rounds the more likely the best program will triamph. As a
>>>side issue does any one know which opening books the programs are using,
>>>commercial or special ones to prevent the oponents from prepairing against them
>>>?
>>
>>Are they allowed to change their opening book from round to round? Posibly
>>having one more or less taylored for the playing style of each opponent?
>>
>>Pete Galati
>
>The rules do not explicitly prohibit changing opening books and I know that
>people make code changes between rounds. So, it would appear to be legal.
>
>However, if ICCA ever decided to make it illegal, you could get around it by
>having a superset of openings with subsets inside of it for each opponent. When
>you enter the name of your opponent, the program could pick the appropriate
>opening "book". So, nobody would know the difference since it would be part of
>the program.
>
>I am surprised that the ICCA does not insist that the program (parameters,
>computing system, opening book, etc.) remain the same throughout the tournament.
>It is a strange thing that bug fixes and other code changes can be made in
>mid-tournament.

It's not strange when you're used to it.  Bugs always show up in World
Championships, every computer chess programmer knows this.  Soon you will
experience this for yourself too. :-)

>The reason I think that this is strange is that one of the tie breaks is based
>off which programs were played. Since the games are played at different times in
>the tournament (with potentially weaker or stronger programs of the same name),
>a tie break could be won when program A beat buggy program C early in the rounds
>whereas program B drew to not so buggy program C later in the rounds, but
>program C counted the same towards both programs A and B (and B lost tie break
>points over it).

Yeah, but shit happens.

>KarinsDad :)

Dave



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