Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:45:40 06/17/99
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On June 17, 1999 at 15:40:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On June 17, 1999 at 06:20:25, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 1999 at 17:18:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>One real problem was that an initial contact with the ICCA said that it was
>>>necessary for the _author_ to be present. Which means I couldn't send anyone
>>>else as I have in the past. But then it seems that this rule was relaxed after
>>>the fact. Had I known, Crafty would definitely have been there...
>>
>>Are you sure that this is true? I would like you to confirm this because this
>>may have some bearing upon my actions during the rest of the tournament.
>>
>>bruce
>
>
>I am certain. In fact, Early on I wrote an email to at least Tony and maybe
>David explaining this... And got a reply back with the "we are sorry..."
>etc stuff... And I didn't think a bit more about it because they did say that
>the rules required that a programmer be present. However it does seem that that
>was relaxed... I will see if I can find the email correspondence in the pine
>files here...
Ok... here is part of the story. First, I received this from the ICCA in the
official announcement of the tournament. This came via email and I'll include
the header for date information. I am including rule 1, which is the one that
caught my eye, and which is _far_ different from the wording for the WMCCC
events:
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Subject: 9th World Computer Chess Championship
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TOURNAMENT RULES FOR THE 9th WORLD COMPUTER-CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP
Paderborn, Germany
14-20 June 1999
The Board of ICCA
Below the Board of ICCA provides information on the tournament rules and a
provisional tournament schedule. For convenience, the times of the
Advances in Computer Chess 9 Conference are included in the provisional
schedule too.
1. Each entry is a computing system and one or more humans who programmed
it. At least one of the program developers must attend the championship
to operate the program. At least 50% of the entering developers, and all
developers attending the event, must be ICCA members in good standing. No
exceptions will be made to this rule.
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Ok, when I saw that, I sent the following, which due to my experimenting with
an experimental mail tool, resulted in this being sent to _everybody_ on the
ICCA announcement list...
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From hyatt@cis.uab.edu Thu Feb 25 11:02:32 1999
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:02:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert M. Hyatt" <hyatt@cis.uab.edu>
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Hi Tony...
I don't see a way for "crafty" to make it... As I had mentioned,
international travel is very expensive, and difficult to get approval
for in todays restricted education spending environment. I had
originally thought about trying to find someone to operate Crafty,
but that seems to be contrary to the ICCA rules anyway.
Bob
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I think every participant saw that as my reply went to everybody, including
the icca participant list. The ICCA _never_ suggested that "Hey Bob, if you
can enter crafty and get someone to operate for you, that will be fine with
us." The above rule seems _perfectly clear_ to me. I thought of three
people that "might" qualify. Jason Deines has written some code for crafty,
as has Mike Byrne. Jason is in Grad school and Mike was involved in a new
job. Eugene would (IMHO) also qualify since I am using his probe code and
the asm stuff he wrote a long while back. However Eugene also has a full-time
job at Microsoft and I didn't consider it apprpriate to put him on the spot by
asking either. So after the above simple statement, that was all I heard.
Of course, I later found out that exceptions had been made, but sometimes
things don't go the way I'd like. And I didn't give it a lot of further thought
until the WCCC started and it became apparent that exceptions _had_ been made.
I don't think Crafty deserves special consideration of course. But 'equal
consideration' would be nice... :(
Bob
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