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Subject: Re: Ferret Shredder draw, but was there a win there for Ferret?

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 12:05:28 06/18/99

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On June 18, 1999 at 14:21:47, Klaus Evers wrote:

>
>>>how about
>>>70 ...   Re6
>>>71 a7  Ra6
>>>72 Rb6+ Rxb6
>>>73 a8=Q Re6
>>>
>>>can white win that position?
>>>definitely YES, if the bp would stand on e5.
>>>but it is on e4!
>>>
>>>what do you think?
>>>
>>>bye
>>>K.E.
>>
>>See my other post. This variation is listed there (without the 73 ... Re6 move)
>>and a five piece tablebase (kqkrp) may find a win here for white.
>>
>>But black is not forced to play 70 ... Re6. I think black is just required to
>>stay on the e file, but not e7.
>>
>>KarinsDad :)
>
>yes,70 ... Re6 is not the best idea. Re5->a5 is better, but in your prev.
>postigs you have been correct. wK-> a file .... wait...
>no!!
>
>black will check white all the time, no escape and no opportunity to
>do a8=Q !!
>K.E

How about:

69 Rb7  Re8
70 a7   Ra8
71 Kxe4 Kf6
72 Kd5  Kf5
73 Kc6  Ke5
74 Kb6  Rh8
75 Rb8  Rh6+
76 Kb5  any
77 a8/Q

any attempt to check the king with the rook results in the king heading towards
the a file and the a pawn queening (after Rb8). So, Re8 looks real bad.

69 Rb7  Re5
70 a7   Ra5
71 Kxe4 Kf6
72 Kd4  Ke6
73 Kc4  Kd6
74 Kb4  Ra1
75 Kb5  Rb1+
76 Ka4  Rxb7
77 a8/Q

and now it would be kqkr, but I am not sure if a win can be forced in that.

69 Rb7  Re6
70 a7   Ra6
71 Kxe4 Kf6
72 Kd5  Kf5
73 Kc5  Ke5
74 Kb5  Ra1
75 Kb6  Kd6
76 Rb8  Rb1+
77 Ka6  Ra1+
78 Kb7  Rb1+
79 Ka8  Rh1
80 Rb2  Kc7

draw. So, the only possibility for white with black playing Re6 would seem to
be:

69 Rb7  Re6
70 a7   Ra6
71 Rb6+ Rxb6
72 a8/Q

and whether kqkrp can be turned into a win is also beyond me (I doubt it
though).

KarinsDad :)

PS. I did these variations in my head, so if I screwed up, don't shoot me.



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