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Subject: Re: Ferret Shredder draw, but was there a win there for Ferret?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 17:33:33 06/18/99

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On June 18, 1999 at 19:47:29, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On June 18, 1999 at 14:01:00, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 1999 at 13:58:15, KarinsDad wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 1999 at 13:51:03, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>>I think the opportunity was lost by Shredder on move 7. ... Nge7 as an
>>>>opportunity to go up nearly two pawns was passed up:
>>>>r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2BpP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - acd 15; ce 191; pv
>>>>dxc3 Qb3 Qf6 Rd1 Nh6 Bg5 Qg6 Nxc3 O-O Nd5 Re8 Bf4 d6 Bd3; pm dxc3;
>>>
>>>Yeah, I saw that and wondered if there was just some trap that I was unaware of
>>>(my opening knowledge is fairly weak). Maybe black cannot afford the tempo and
>>>Crafty doesn't see it (are they still in book?).
>>Probably still in book, but the book is buggy.  In a case like this, I would go
>>with the +191 score, especially against a computer.  It might be a tough
>>decision against a GM as to what to play.  Against a computer, its dxc3 in a
>>heartbeat.  (This position was analyzed to 3-4 billion nodes in C.A.P.)
>
>7...Nge7 is main line Evans.  What does CAP have to say about
>7...dxc3 8.Qb3 Qf6 9.e5 Qg6 10.Nxc3 Nge7 11.Ba3 O-O 12.Rad1 clear advantage
>white (NCO)?
It does not appear to me that all replies are optimal.

Epd                                                            acd    acn
 ce     pv
                 pm
-------------------------------------------------------------- ------
----------- ------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
r1b1k1nr/pppp1ppp/2n2q2/b3P3/2B5/1Qp2N2/P4PPP/RNB2RK1 b kq -   16     -936562871
 148    Qf5 Nxc3 Nge7 Ba3 Ng6 Nd5 Qg4 Qb5 a6 Qc5 b5 Bd3 Bb7 Ne3 Qf4
                 Qf5
r1b1k1nr/pppp1ppp/2n2q2/b7/2B1P3/1Qp2N2/P4PPP/RNB2RK1 w kq -   15     -940394659
 -177   Bg5 Qg6 Nxc3 Nf6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Qa3 b6 Nh4 d6 Bb5 Bb7 Qc1 Qd7
                 Bg5
r1b1k1nr/pppp1ppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/1QN2N2/P4PPP/R1B2RK1 b kq -   15     -830519574
 148    Nge7 Ne2 d5 exd6 cxd6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb2 f6 Qb1 Qg4 h3 Qe6 Nf4 Qg8
                 Nge7
r1b1k1nr/pppp1ppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/1Qp2N2/P4PPP/RNB2RK1 w kq -   15     -936719780
 -149   Nxc3 Nge7 Ne2 d5 exd6 cxd6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb2 f6 Nfd4 Qd5 Qb5 Bb4 Bc4 Qxb5 Bxb5
                 Nxc3
r1b2rk1/ppppnppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/BQN2N2/P4PPP/3R1RK1 b - -      12     100005308
 178    Re8 Nd5 Nxd5 Rxd5 Bb6 Bd3 Qg4 Qc2 Kh8 Bf5 Qf4 Qe4 Qxe4 Bxe4
                 Re8
r1b2rk1/ppppnppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/BQN2N2/P4PPP/R4RK1 w - -       12     100011069
 -179   Nd5 Nxd5 Bd3 Qh5 Bxf8 Nf4 Ba3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Rad1 c5
                 Nd5
r1b1k2r/ppppnppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/1QN2N2/P4PPP/R1B2RK1 w kq -    15     -804862842
 -144   Ne2 d5 exd6 cxd6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb2 f6 Qb5 a6 Qb1 Nd5 Nfd4 Qg4 Bb2
                 Ne2
r1b1k2r/ppppnppp/2n3q1/b3P3/2B5/BQN2N2/P4PPP/R4RK1 b kq -      15     -866524775
 164    O-O Ne2 Bb6 Bd3 Qh5 Ng3 Qg4 Qc2 Kh8 Bf5 Qf4 Ne2 Qh6 Bc5 Bxc5 Qxc5
                 O-O
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2B1P3/1Qp2N2/P4PPP/RNB2RK1 b kq -     16     -984413504
 171    Qf6 Bg5 Qg6 Nxc3 Nf6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Rad1 Qg6 Qa3 Qg4 Bb5 Qxe4 Bxc6
dxc6 Qxa5 cxd5 Qxc7 Qf6
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2B1P3/2p2N2/P4PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq -     14     -43794941
 -163   Qb3 Qf6 Bg5 Qg6 Nxc3 Nf6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Rad1 O-O Nb6 Qxd1 Qxd1 Bxb6
                 Qb3
r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2BpP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq -     15     -999841790
 191    dxc3 Qb3 Qf6 Rd1 Nh6 Bg5 Qg6 Nxc3 O-O Nd5 Re8 Bf4 d6 Bd3
                 dxc3






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