Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 23:42:47 06/18/99
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On June 19, 1999 at 00:44:07, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >On June 19, 1999 at 00:18:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 18, 1999 at 22:32:52, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 1999 at 19:44:44, Albert Silver wrote: >>> >>>>I looked up the tournment rules as Bob Hyatt had mentioned that an author had to >>>>be present when entering a program in the WCCC-99. Bruce had asked this to be >>>>confirmed so I am presenting the relevant tournament rules here: >>>> >>>>Tournament Rules >>>> >>>>Paderborn, Germany >>>>14-20 June 1999 >>>> >>>>The Board of ICCA >>>> >>>> >>>>Below the Board of ICCA provides information on the tournament rules and a >>>>provisional tournament schedule. For convenience, the times of the Advances in >>>>Computer Chess 9 Conference are included in the provisional schedule too. >>>> >>>> 1.Each entry is a computing system and one or more humans who programmed it. >>>>At least one of the program developers must attend the championship to operate >>>>the program. At least 50% of the entering developers, and all developers >>>>attending the event, must be ICCA members in good standing. No exceptions will >>>>be made to this rule. >>>> >>>> 2.Each program must be the original work of the entering developers. Programs >>>>derived from, or including, chess-playing code written by others (for example, >>>>programs based on CRAFTY), must name all other authors, or the source of such >>>>code, in their application details. Programs which are discovered to be close >>>>derivatives of others (e.g., by playing nearly all moves the same), may be >>>>declared invalid by the Tournament Director, after seeking expert advice. For >>>>this purpose, a listing of all chess-related programs running on the system must >>>>be available on demand to the Tournament Director. >>>> >>>> >>>> Albert Silver >>> >>> >>>Rule 1 is an annoying weird rule. Unfortunately, Dr. Hyatt did not realize that >>>all he had to do was point to someone and say "you're one of the authors" (and >>>make them an ICCA member) to satisfy the requirement. To stay "honest", he >>>could have him/her modify the opening book. This rule is not much of an >>>obstacle and is just silly. Crafty is an interesting and useful benchmark to >>>measure other programs, since it is strong and well tested in internet play. I >>>think its non-participation hurts the tourney (and DR. Hyatt). >> >> >>I don't understand the purpose of rule 1, particularly when it is specifically >>not used in the WMCCC event which is also ICCA-sponsored. Perhaps an attempt >>to get the programmers together to exchange ideas, but that is a joke is it >>not? How many commercial programmers exchange anything? Marty is the first >>to write something and publish it (book learning) that I have seen... and he >>deserves a pat on the back... now it he will continue that trend. :) >> >>Bob > >Maybe they just want to be able to talk to someone face to face who has >competent knowledge about the program in case a problem or dispute arises. If >that is the motive, it's not unreasonable, just inconvenient. I'm sure they did >not intend to preclude your programs participation. After all, your programs >name was incorporated in the 2nd rule! I think there are a lot of reasons for the rule. First, if most people start sending operators, the event is devalued for those who come in person. You have to play the strong programs, but any sort of social opportunity between authors is prevented. Second, authors provide continuity and common experience. If my program is winning against another program, I know how it feels to lose, since I have been there many times. And if I involved in an incident, it is with both me and my program the next year, whereas with an operator there is probably a different operator the next year. Additionally, there is a matter of equality and respect. If some other author's time is considered by whomever to be more important than mine, I feel insulted. I'm in favor of author participation. I don't know if I would have gone so far as to make it a rule, but since it is a rule I don't know why the rule has been broken. To be fair, I haven't asked. If I see Tony today I'll ask him. bruce
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