Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:42:31 06/19/99
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On June 19, 1999 at 00:18:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 18, 1999 at 22:32:52, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On June 18, 1999 at 19:44:44, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>I looked up the tournment rules as Bob Hyatt had mentioned that an author had to >>>be present when entering a program in the WCCC-99. Bruce had asked this to be >>>confirmed so I am presenting the relevant tournament rules here: >>> >>>Tournament Rules >>> >>>Paderborn, Germany >>>14-20 June 1999 >>> >>>The Board of ICCA >>> >>> >>>Below the Board of ICCA provides information on the tournament rules and a >>>provisional tournament schedule. For convenience, the times of the Advances in >>>Computer Chess 9 Conference are included in the provisional schedule too. >>> >>> 1.Each entry is a computing system and one or more humans who programmed it. >>>At least one of the program developers must attend the championship to operate >>>the program. At least 50% of the entering developers, and all developers >>>attending the event, must be ICCA members in good standing. No exceptions will >>>be made to this rule. >>> >>> 2.Each program must be the original work of the entering developers. Programs >>>derived from, or including, chess-playing code written by others (for example, >>>programs based on CRAFTY), must name all other authors, or the source of such >>>code, in their application details. Programs which are discovered to be close >>>derivatives of others (e.g., by playing nearly all moves the same), may be >>>declared invalid by the Tournament Director, after seeking expert advice. For >>>this purpose, a listing of all chess-related programs running on the system must >>>be available on demand to the Tournament Director. >>> >>> >>> Albert Silver >> >> >>Rule 1 is an annoying weird rule. Unfortunately, Dr. Hyatt did not realize that >>all he had to do was point to someone and say "you're one of the authors" (and >>make them an ICCA member) to satisfy the requirement. To stay "honest", he >>could have him/her modify the opening book. This rule is not much of an >>obstacle and is just silly. Crafty is an interesting and useful benchmark to >>measure other programs, since it is strong and well tested in internet play. I >>think its non-participation hurts the tourney (and DR. Hyatt). > > >I don't understand the purpose of rule 1, particularly when it is specifically >not used in the WMCCC event which is also ICCA-sponsored. Perhaps an attempt >to get the programmers together to exchange ideas, but that is a joke is it >not? How many commercial programmers exchange anything? Marty is the first >to write something and publish it (book learning) that I have seen... and he >deserves a pat on the back... now it he will continue that trend. :) > >Bob Marty Hirsch was supposed to tell something here. He wasn't there. ICCA heart that some time in advance, then suddenly they allowed operators. very weak. If you have a rule on which crafty gets refused, then refuse also other programs if they wanna do without programmer. For example: I was told on the internet that the nimzo programmer: Chrilly Donninger had bunches of workload and therefore didn't have time to get to paderborn. However, after i pointed them on that rule , some weeks before the tournament, Chrilly decided to go to the tournament in person (although the rest of his team, alexander kure who has made his book and the fritz5 one). He showed up here, but the others didn't. too bad. I really dislike playing a operator who can't talk about his program except that its good (which we already knew). Some operators like Peter Schreiner are really very nice persons. Talking with Peter is very nice. However, i feel clearly that there is a need for a change, or keep it unchanged. It's clearly a bad thing that crafty was kept out of the tournament, although it would have played obviously very strong, where now another time something went wrong. Secondly i cannot understand mini joining. Cilkteam withdrew mini, however, after we had an unequal number of programs here, mini suddenly was added instead of a hard working amateur who now didn't get the chance to play here. There is plenty of room over here. 32 or 40 programs could have easily played here. plenty of space, internet connections etcetera. I don't understand why it was cut from 32 programs to 30 programs, Now was forgotten as participant, then when mini withdrew there were 28 programs. Suddenly they remember Now joining and then add mini too. Weird things happening Greetings, Vincent
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