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Subject: Re: The swiss system is unfair for Junior

Author: James Robertson

Date: 16:01:32 06/19/99

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On June 19, 1999 at 18:24:40, blass uri wrote:

>
>On June 19, 1999 at 17:33:49, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>On June 19, 1999 at 16:32:41, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>Junior 4.5 out of 7 is better than cilkchess 5 out of 7 because Junior played
>>>against better oponnents.
>>>
>>>Junior won cilkchess and played against
>>>Shredder,Fritz,Darkthought,Nimzo,Hiarcs,Eugen(all of these program have at least
>>>4.5 out of 7 except hiarcs and Eugen with 4 out of 7)
>>>
>>>Cilkchess was lucky to play against weak programs like patzer and sos in the
>>>first 2 rounds and did not play against strong opponents except Junior,dark
>>>thought and Hiarcs7.
>>>
>>>
>>>The result is that the humans are going to have an easier job tommorow because
>>>they are not going to play the best 4 computers.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Of all the people to be saying that we should make decisions without evidence of
>>games, I would have expected you to be the last. :(
>>
>>We have 7 games of Cilkchess total and 10 of Deep Junior (including Gelfand
>>games), and you have already decided that Deep Junior is better? You do not have
>>much evidence for that. Perhaps Cilkchess really deserves to be champion and it
>>was just bad luck it did not become champion.
>
>I know that we have not enough evidence but it is clear that deep Junior's
>results are better than cilkchess results.

We don't know that..... If by fluke all of Ferret's games looked like his
debacle against Hiarcs (or even just 2 or 3 of them) we would be in error
concluding it was very weak. 7 games is a minute sample.

>If we repeat the same competition again and again and if we assume that the
>results are going to be always the same then Junior's rating is going to be
>better than cilkchess rating.

That is if we *assume* that the results will always be the same. We cannot do
that, as the sample is too small.

>
>If we should decide only by results then Junior deserve a better place then
>cilkchess.

7 games is nothing as far as results. You yourself have mentioned before that
you have seen two identical program play each other and one lose 8-2.

James

>
>Uri



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