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Subject: Re: Fritz Had an easy way, Centaur and Ikarus are weak programs !!!

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:07:10 06/21/99

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On June 21, 1999 at 02:32:00, Frank Schneider wrote:

>On June 18, 1999 at 13:11:56, Tania Devora wrote:
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>>   Centaur and Ikarus are weak programs , Fritz has luck !!!
>I don't think that Ikarus is a weak program. It is fast and did
>very well at the IPCCC in February.

It is a fact that Ikarus is weaker than most of the players in WCCC.
Tania did not compare it to the players in IPCCC.

>Centaur uses an experimental, probably knowledgebase algorithm that
>makes it slow (200-1000 nps on a PII 450) and obviously vulnerable.

I am not impressed by the knowledge of centaur.
It did not lose only because of tactical mistakes.

I cannot search 200-1000 nps but I could avoid with no problem the stupid
mistake of centaur against patzer.
8/5b2/7p/1R1Pk1p1/P5P1/3r1B2/5K2/8 b - - 0 1

centaur played Bxd5 and this move is losing after Rxd5+ with transition to pawn
ending.

I expect humans with 1800 rating to avoid this stupid mistake because they have
knowledge(not like centuar)


>Both are amateurs and it is not fair to compare them to professional
>programs.

Tania compared the opponents of Fritz to opponents of other programs
The opponents of Hiarcs were clearly better than Ikarus and centaur.

There are also better amateurs.

Ferret is amateur,Dark thought and Cilkchess are amateurs
Fransecka is amateur.
Lambchop is amateur.

These are only part of the amateurs that are better than these 2 programs.

I think that most of the amateurs *in this tournament* are better than Ikarus
and Centaur.

Uri



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