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Subject: Re: Bob, do You finally accept, that PCs are playing at GM level?

Author: blass uri

Date: 21:03:26 06/21/99

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On June 21, 1999 at 14:21:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:

<snipped>
>Never said otherwise.  But in how many games have you seen Kasparov do that?
>Once in 100?  So that of our 5 games the other day, one was a 100-1 shot?
>That was the only point...

I think that computers help humans to do tactical blunders.
I think that sokolov was surprised by good moves of Fritz in the opening.

I think that Fritz had advantage and a good chance to win even without the
blunder of sokolov.

<snipped>
>In some types of tactics, yes.  IE open board, kings exposed, pieces all over
>the place.  In other types of tactics, computers have no chance.  IE who finds
>the Shirov Bh3 sac?  Not hard to understand as a human...  but very deep
>(although fairly forcing) from a human perspective.

It is not hard to find after you see it but I think that most GM could not find
it practically in a tournament time control.

I read in the newspaper that a room full with grandmasters and computers did not
predict the move of shirov so GM's also failed to see the right move before
shirov played it.

It is more easy to find a good move when you know that there is a good move.

<snipped>
>  So computers are _not_
>tactically supreme just yet...  Even the Rebel/Rohde game showed that quite
>clearly as well...

It only exposed tactical holes of Rebel

Hiarcs7.32 has no problem to find Bg2 instead of f4 at tournament time control
and the same for other top programs



<snipped>
>I am _not_ talking about a single tactical blunder.  The Shredder/Ferret game
>wasn't a "single poor move" game.  It was a series of bad moves leading to a
>totally lost (at least according to three GM players we had commenting on ICC
>during the game) position.  So a blunder is one thing, playing like an 1800
>for many moves is something else entirely...

I do not trust the evaluation of GM's
I want to know if they can win against computers with black from the position
after move 25 of the game.

Uri



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