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Subject: Re: WCCC and some NPS observations

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 12:54:20 06/23/99

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On June 23, 1999 at 15:46:55, blass uri wrote:

>On June 23, 1999 at 15:44:18, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>On June 23, 1999 at 15:08:12, blass uri wrote:
>>>On June 23, 1999 at 14:27:31, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>Fritz and Junior make their mistakes when their score is
>>>>draw-like. the draw score shows: i have no idea what happens.
>>>>and it appears almost every move :-))
>>>In most of their games in WCCC they won so it does not appear in most of the
>>>Wrong scores may appear in positions that they do not have the right evaluation.
>>>Wrong scores may be draw scores but may be also other scores.
>>>I do not agree that the draw score shows that they have no idea what happens.
>>>There are many cases when a draw score is showing that the position is a draw
>>>and many other cases when a draw score is showing equal position with practical
>>>chances for both sides.
>>>Junior won most of the games in WCCC
>>>and it did not play against weak opponents(all the opponents of Junior scored
>>>more than 50%)
>>>I think that it drew a game against Hiarcs because of bad opening preperation
>>>(Junior showed negative evaluation out of book).
>>>It also lost against Fritz because of bad opening preperation of GM boris
>>>Alterman gave Junior the right line and Junior had a winning position out of
>>>book but alterman did not give it more moves so Junior did not know how to
>>>continue because alterman's idea is too deep also for other programs so Junior
>>>could not see it.
>>>I think that most humans also cannot find the idea of alterman if you do not
>>>give them more details.
>>What is the right plan for white after 17.Qh4!?
>>In the game where Fritz played 17...Nb4 and after 18.Bxb4(?) it looked like
>>Fritz had easy and great game all the way!
>18.Bxb4 is the right move
>and Junior could win
>For example:
>19.Rae1 Rfc8 20.Re2 Bd5 21.e6 Qe8 22.Nhg5 hxg5 23.Nxg5 followed
>by Qh7+ and Nf3.

Interesting, I will check this line, but as a start 19.Rfc8? ( 19.Rac8 looks a
lot more natural. )


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