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Subject: Re: Poll Question for "If Computers are finally as Strong as GM's"

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:20:40 06/23/99

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On June 23, 1999 at 09:58:14, Harald Faber wrote:

>On June 22, 1999 at 13:39:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>>>Right now we are at computers 3, humans 5, in our 8 game 40/2hr series of
>>>>games.  That _might_ mean the computers are at the lower GM level.  It also
>>>>might mean that they are at super-GM level.  Or it might mean they were somewhat
>>>>lucky.  Untill we have enough games, we don't know.  If we had a score of 15-5,
>>>>I think the conclusion would be pretty accurate (assuming 15 for humans) that
>>>>the computers are 200 points worse (ie 2400).  If we had 10-10, I'd think that
>>>>we would conclude that the computers were reasonably close to 2600, although
>>>>there is still a significant margin of error for only 20 games.
>>>>
>>>>Or we could have a vote.  That will decide it, right?  :)
>>>
>>>A reason why you don't count Hiarcs-Hergott?
>>
>>yes... games were not 40/2, games were held in a mall.  Hergott is a weaker
>>IM.  It was so noisy he had to wear headphones..
>>etc...
>
>1) IM is IM; who gives the right and is able to judge WEAK or STRONG? Even a
>WEAK IM is still an IM.
>2) Hiarcs WON. Although it was only 6 games. But 6 games plus 6 games
>plus...plus... someday make a bunch.
>3) I guess it was Fischer who said: "the only ones with no excuses when they
>lose against me are computers."


Doesn't matter.  You don't earn a GM norm playing an IM in a match.  So trying
to answer the question "are computers at GM level?" is not going to be answered
by playing an IM in a noisy mall at non-40/2 time controls...  And hiarcs did
win... but aren't we discussing 40/2hr time controls here?  The hiarcs/Hergott
match was not 40/2.  So it all seems totally unrelated to the question being
asked...



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