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Subject: Re: Poll Question for "If Computers are finally as Strong as GM's"

Author: Jouni Uski

Date: 01:11:14 06/24/99

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On June 24, 1999 at 03:31:41, Harald Faber wrote:

>On June 23, 1999 at 18:20:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>>>>A reason why you don't count Hiarcs-Hergott?
>>>>
>>>>yes... games were not 40/2, games were held in a mall.  Hergott is a weaker
>>>>IM.  It was so noisy he had to wear headphones..
>>>>etc...
>>>
>>>1) IM is IM; who gives the right and is able to judge WEAK or STRONG? Even a
>>>WEAK IM is still an IM.
>>>2) Hiarcs WON. Although it was only 6 games. But 6 games plus 6 games
>>>plus...plus... someday make a bunch.
>>>3) I guess it was Fischer who said: "the only ones with no excuses when they
>>>lose against me are computers."
>>
>>
>>Doesn't matter.  You don't earn a GM norm playing an IM in a match.  So trying
>>to answer the question "are computers at GM level?" is not going to be answered
>>by playing an IM in a noisy mall at non-40/2 time controls...
>
>You try to miss the point, don't you? ;-)
>If you win an IM clearly, then you are certainly ABOVE. Right? And what is above
>IM? Is there something between IM and GM? I don't know of anything.
>I was not talking of EARNING a NORM.
>I was talking of GM LEVEL.
>
>>And hiarcs did
>>win... but aren't we discussing 40/2hr time controls here?  The hiarcs/Hergott
>>match was not 40/2.  So it all seems totally unrelated to the question being
>>asked...
>
>What was the time control then? AFAIR it was 40/120 or VERY VERY CLOSE.

Don't forget other matches. Mchess 6 has won GM Nesis(?) 3,5 - 2,5 under
tournament conditions!!! This is more DATA for Bob.

Jouni




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