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Subject: Re: Poll Question for "If Computers are finally as Strong as GM's"

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:47:21 06/24/99

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On June 24, 1999 at 05:23:21, Harald Faber wrote:

>On June 24, 1999 at 05:09:40, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On June 24, 1999 at 04:11:14, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On June 24, 1999 at 03:31:41, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you win an IM clearly, then you are certainly ABOVE. Right? And what is above
>>>>IM? Is there something between IM and GM? I don't know of anything.
>>>>I was not talking of EARNING a NORM.
>>>>I was talking of GM LEVEL.
>>>>
>>>>>And hiarcs did
>>>>>win... but aren't we discussing 40/2hr time controls here?  The hiarcs/Hergott
>>>>>match was not 40/2.  So it all seems totally unrelated to the question being
>>>>>asked...
>>>>
>>>>What was the time control then? AFAIR it was 40/120 or VERY VERY CLOSE.
>>>
>>>Don't forget other matches. Mchess 6 has won GM Nesis(?) 3,5 - 2,5 under
>>>tournament conditions!!! This is more DATA for Bob.
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>Both of you guys are picking and choosing events.  This is precisely what Bob is
>>trying to avoid by sticking with a current timeframe where all of the results
>>are remembered, whether pro- or contra- to the assertion that programs are of GM
>>strength.
>>
>>Dave
>
>Picking events? Yes. The only events that took place. For NOT PICKING let us
>please start a collection of games between humans and computers under tournament
>or close to tournament time control, started 1995 e.g.


That is the 'problem'.  I think you listed almost _all_ of the GM vs computer
games (at 40/2hr) above.  :)  (ie there are practically none).



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