Author: Mark Young
Date: 16:15:15 06/26/99
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On June 26, 1999 at 18:49:26, odell hall wrote: > >On June 26, 1999 at 18:36:15, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 26, 1999 at 18:22:54, odell hall wrote: >> >>> >>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two >>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the >>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves! >>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the >>>>>>Opening stages!! >>>>>>-------- >>>>>>Terry >>>>> >>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the >>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point? >>>>> >>>>>James >>>>--------- >>>>The point, James >>>> Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low >>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would >>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6 >>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as >>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i >>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and >>>>probaly beat the the rated master! >>>> My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time >>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my >>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters! >>>>Thats my Point! >>>>Best regards. >>>>Terry >>> >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> I am convinced that this particular master has a style that is just difficult >>>for hiarcs6, I have played another master friend of mine just four days ago with >>>hiarcs6 and it won beautiful and easily. I have also beaten international >>>masters with hiarcs6. Hiarcs6 on my machine achieved a rating of 2533 on icc >>>defeating many superstrong computers, this is why the result of these two games >>>doesn't convince me that i lost because of a slow machine. As hyaat pointed out >>>my machine runs equalavent to a pent 200mmx. Also I get a bench mark of 2511 >>>running rebel10, this is slightly a better performance than the pent 200mmx on >>>schroeder's homepage. There are still four games left, hiarcs has a chance to >>>redeem itself. Let me add one more remark, Richard started this match uneasily >>>he told me he hoped to get only two draws in this match, and was just as >>>surprised as myself with the result. Although he doesn't play computers much, he >>>admitted that he usually gets beat by fritz5.32 , and has played chessmaster >>>6000 one game which he won, in a indentical ending as game 1 of his match with >>>hiarcs6. >> >>This explains my feeling playing through game 1, Richard played like no 2265 >>player. It was almost like he know what Hiarcs 6 was going to do and how the >>endgame would turn out. Richard made no huge tactical mistake in the game that >>Hiarcs 7.32 could find, this is very strong play for a 2265 player and a nice >>win in game 1. > > > I am not sure I understand what you are saying? Are you implying that he has >played this indentical game before?? Before the match we established rules, one >was that I have the option of playing whatever opening I choose. I accomplish >this by starting the game with hiarcs in analysis mode., I simply choose the >book move from hiarcs available choices. This explains the move 2...d6 in game >2. let me also say that I offered a draw in game at move 1 55..Bc5. , Which he >refused saying that in his expierence playing computers they offen mishandle >that particular ending. yes it is clear he has much more expierence playing programs then just a little, but so what good win. One last comment, about game 1, according to richard he >feels that he is a 2500 player in that particular line of the french, I agree, and is why I guess I had the feeling and said he played like no 2265 player in this game at this time control. The resulting setup and endgame not being unknow to him explains it for me, I'm not implying anything just commenting on the info you have given us, and the observation I made playing through the game. having >studied it extensively, In fact he told me that 9. Be2 is infact a book move but >the least best. In fact 1-12 in game one has been played before, he was familiar >with the position. He commented that still this was not enough in itself for >the program to lose. It just simply played badly.
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