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Subject: Re: Hiarcs7.32 DISGRACED Fritz5.32 in 20 games under tournaments controls!

Author: Mark Young

Date: 11:37:44 06/27/99

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On June 27, 1999 at 07:04:53, blass uri wrote:

>
>On June 27, 1999 at 06:16:55, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 1999 at 05:55:46, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On June 27, 1999 at 04:29:27, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On June 27, 1999 at 04:16:39, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Uri
>>>>
>>>>From what I gather, most of the games played between Fritz and Hiarcs have been
>>>>played on one computer. Now from most games I have played with one machine a
>>>>program is always disadvantaged.
>>>>
>>>>And with such large hash tables being used, the time to clear them would take
>>>>time.
>>>Hi Michael
>>>
>>>The time to clear big hash tables is not more than few seconds and it is not
>>>significant at tournament time control.
>>>Hiarcs has an advantage by the fact it can save time by not clearing the hash
>>>tables but I do not think that it is a big advantage.
>>>
>>>I do not think that thesre should be a big difference between one computer and
>>>two computers unless there is a bug in one of these systems.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>-----
>>Hi Uri,
>>   What about the "pondering" idea? Does Hiarcs7.32 have enough of an advantage
>>over its competition because it has stored information about its past move and
>>so it don`t need to start over in its analysis on its next move like Fritz needs
>>to do! It looks like no one on this forum can even guess how much of an
>>advantage this might give to Hiarcs on single engine matches!
>>   Any opinions on this?
>
>I think that it is only a small advantage (I guess that p200 vs p90 that is in
>the ssdf games is clearly a bigger advantage and in the rating it give less than
>100 elo difference.
>
>I guess that this gives hiarcs7.32 40 elo advantage(it can explain results like
>5.5:4.5 for Hiarcs instead of 5:5 but not more than it)


I don't know if its even 40 elo, but say it is, it is clear this does not
explain the results we have seen with Hiarcs 7.32. Even if I give the other
programs a +2 game handicap in a 20 game match, Hiarcs7.32 still wins.

I may have been more suspect of Hiarcs 7.32's results if I had not tested Hiarcs
7 on two computers and did the games by hand. But here also Hiarcs 7 was clearly
the better program IMO looking at the games and results.

>
>Uri
>Uri
>>------
>>Terry



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