Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 13:19:33 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 11:54:27, James Robertson wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote: >> >>>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two >>>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the >>>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves! >>>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the >>>>>>>Opening stages!! >>>>>>>-------- >>>>>>>Terry >>>>>> >>>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the >>>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point? >>>>>> >>>>>>James >>>>>--------- >>>>>The point, James >>>>> Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low >>>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would >>>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6 >>>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as >>>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i >>>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and >>>>>probaly beat the the rated master! >>>> >>>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC >>>>he probably would have beaten Fritz. >>>> >>>>> My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time >>>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my >>>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters! >>>> >>>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF >>>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the >>>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew >>>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :) >>>> >>>>James >>>> >>>>>Thats my Point! >>>>>Best regards. >>>>>Terry >>>----------- >>>Hardly James, >>> He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were >>>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to >>>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player! >>> He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there >>>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!! >>>-------- >>>Terry >>-------- >>James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a >>different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you >>more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program >>(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the >>game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move >>at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move >>instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical >>point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to >>Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was >>making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum >>comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying >>that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters! >>I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant. >>-------- >>Best regards. >>Terry > >I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :) > >I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a >different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse. > >James --------- Now we are getting somewhere James, I agree with you about it is premature to say that a player could have won after a different move as there is the rest of the game to play out but there is that "possibility" that the different move is perhaps a better one that might make the difference in the outcome of the game, but it might not either! ------ Terry
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