Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 13:25:42 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 16:19:33, Terry Ripple wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 11:54:27, James Robertson wrote: > >>On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two >>>>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the >>>>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves! >>>>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the >>>>>>>>Opening stages!! >>>>>>>>-------- >>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the >>>>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>James >>>>>>--------- >>>>>>The point, James >>>>>> Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low >>>>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would >>>>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6 >>>>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as >>>>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i >>>>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and >>>>>>probaly beat the the rated master! >>>>> >>>>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC >>>>>he probably would have beaten Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>> My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time >>>>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my >>>>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters! >>>>> >>>>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF >>>>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the >>>>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew >>>>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :) >>>>> >>>>>James >>>>> >>>>>>Thats my Point! >>>>>>Best regards. >>>>>>Terry >>>>----------- >>>>Hardly James, >>>> He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were >>>>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to >>>>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player! >>>> He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there >>>>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!! >>>>-------- >>>>Terry >>>-------- >>>James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a >>>different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you >>>more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program >>>(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the >>>game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move >>>at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move >>>instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical >>>point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to >>>Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was >>>making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum >>>comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying >>>that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters! >>>I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant. >>>-------- >>>Best regards. >>>Terry >> >>I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :) >> >>I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a >>different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse. >> >>James >--------- >Now we are getting somewhere James, > I agree with you about it is premature to say that a player could have won >after a different move as there is the rest of the game to play out but there is >that "possibility" that the different move is perhaps a better one that might >make the difference in the outcome of the game, but it might not either! >------ >Terry -------- PS. I wanted to add that i know that i was being a bit Optimistic about the different move changing the game for a win! ------- Take care James!
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