Author: Melvin S. Schwartz
Date: 19:35:50 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 17:49:14, Mark Young wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 17:26:29, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >> >>On June 27, 1999 at 15:33:48, Terry Ripple wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 1999 at 14:00:33, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>Does anyone have factual information regarding the reason for both the short and >>>>long test? >>>> >>>>Question #2: How does these tests relate to the playing of a game at 40/2? >>>> >>>>Question #3: How many of these tests, either short or long are we supposed to >>>>run? >>>> >>>>Question #4: On what criteria do you base your answers to the above? >>>> >>>>Now, I ran a short test with 32 megs for hash tables and the score was 133 >>>>HiarcsMark 39kN/S. When I ran the same test with 64 megs, the score was 131 >>>>HiarcsMark 39 kN/S. >>>>At 145 megs the score was lower in kN/S and HiarcsMark. >>>> >>>>When I ran the long test with 32 megs of HT, the score was 280 HiarcsMark with >>>>35 kN/S. When I ran the same test with 64 megs for HT, the score was still 280 >>>>HiarcsMark but 34kN/S. Please keep in mind that I only ran one test for each >>>>set-up. Now, there is absolutely nothing in regards to how these tests relate to >>>>actual play or how many tests should be run - with Fritz 5.32 I believe it's all >>>>automatic. >>>> >>>>I thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Mel, Presdent of the Hiarcs Confusion Club. New menbers are welcome. There is no >>>>annual membership fee. The only requirement is to own Hiarcs 7.32 and the rest >>>>should come naturally. >>>-------- >>>Hi Mel, >>> Did you know that the time control is in direct relation with how many MB of >>>Hash Size you use and the speed of your computer is in direct relation with how >>>high the KN/S will be! Whats your CPU Speed and total RAM? >>> My CPU Speed is a AMD K6-2, 266mhz MMX with 64RAM: My average HI-Mark is 93, >>>and i get a 26 KN/S when following the Optimum Hash Size in Configurations. >>>For instance, info recommends for Game/60min.= 24MB Hash Size but i get a bit >>>better HI-Mark using 18.432MB which gives me a 93 Hi-Mark and 26 KN/S. >>>At 30min. it recommends Optimum of 12MB and i use 12.288MB which gives me a - >>>94 Hi-Mark with 26 KN/S. >>> Now the Confusion Starts: I discovered that if i ignor all the Recommendations >>>and set the Hash Size for Only 1 or 2 MB for any Time Control- Setting, i will >>>get a Wopping Hi-Mark of 193 and 27 KN/S. >>> I got a recommendation to use this Formula: 2 x KN/S x Average Sec.per Move: >>>Lets say a time of 40/2hour.= 180 seconds per move in the above formula so here >>>we go: 2 x 26 x 180 = 9360 KB = 9.360 MB of Hash Size! I know it seems low but >>>don`t forget that Fritz fills up the Hash Table 10 times Faster than Hiarcs does >>>and that Optimum Hash recommendation in the Configuration settings was for meant >>>for Fritz!! I didn`t mean to cofuse you even more but after all, thats why we >>>joined the Confusion Club of Hiarcs!!!!! Ha Ha!! >> >>Hello Terry, >> >>You can consider yourself an honary member of the Club. Thanks for adding more >>confusion and causing me to take two aspirin. Now, you didn't really address the >>questions as to how many of these tests we are supposed to run, > >I would run it 1 time and then never run it again...unless for some reason you >think your computer is running slow for some reason, the hiarcsmark makes an ok >check for this. > > > and what is the >>purpose for having a short and long test? > >Just to check the system speed at a short and long time period. With Hiarcs I >would only use the long test. > > Remember, I'm a Vitamin expert, not a >>computer whiz. >> >>So the formula in System Configuration is wrong? Hmmm? Maybe that's why >>ChessBase doesn't answer my question about that; however, Gambit-Soft support >>said it was correct! Anyway, how could Hiarcs only need such a small amount of >>megs even though it's different than Fritz? Are you saying that with more megs >>for HT it will perform worse??? > > >Don't worry about hash size with Hiarcs 7. You gain nothing by using more then >64mb, but it does not hurt you either. I see nothing that shows using 64mb hurts >you at fast time controls. I would just pick a setting you like in your own mind >and keep it there. > Hello Mark, I thank you for making life a little easier for me. You have put my mind at ease. I will now ask you instead of ConfusionBase, err, I mean ChessBase. Now, Mark, I have two more questions for you: 1. Would I be correct in assuming that the HiarcsMark is more important than kN/S? In other words, are we really after a higher HiarcsMark as opposed to a higher kN/S score? 2. Here is a game where in the opening Hiarcs played a move that the info screen highlighted in red as "no": 1.e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 6.Nxc6...bxc6 7.e5...Nd5 8.Ne4...f5 9.Nd6+ and here Hiarcs played Bxd6 when the info window displayed Bxd6 no with the no highlghted in red and was the only move listed. How do you explain Hiarcs making a move that is displayed as not to do? Please try it on your Hiarcs and let me know what happens. Mel > >If you want to get a clearer understanding how hash effects hiarcs 7.32 speed, >just runs set of problems with hiarcs 7.32 and see how it performs with >different hash sizes. > >> >>I think all the CM6000K guys must be having a good laugh about all this - maybe >>I should get CM6000K. This whole situation with Hiarcs is in my opinion - >>ABSURD. The wrong manual, wrong hash table info, no explanation about >>HiarcsMark, tablebase confusion - I consider it fortunate we were able to run >>the program at all. ChessBase deserves a lot of credit for being unresponsive >>and totally without regard for the consumer. Either they don't answer, or they >>can't answer. Even Mark Uniacke never responded to my query about hash tables. >>Well, at this point, I don't know if what you say above about "your" formula for >>HT is true. I would like to hear from Mark Uniacke here and get the truth. Also, >>I am still interested in what the reason is for the short and long tests? And >>how many tests are we supposed to run? Furthermore, is it fact that a higher >>HiarcsMark with a lower kN/S is better than a lower HiarcsMark with a higher >>kN/S? >> >>For your information: I have an AMD K6 400MHz processor with 192 MB of RAM and >>10.0 GB on the hard drive. >> >>Regards, >>Mel> >>>Best Regards, >>>Terry
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