Author: Mark Young
Date: 19:58:03 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 22:35:50, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >On June 27, 1999 at 17:49:14, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 27, 1999 at 17:26:29, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >> >>> >>>On June 27, 1999 at 15:33:48, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 27, 1999 at 14:00:33, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Does anyone have factual information regarding the reason for both the short and >>>>>long test? >>>>> >>>>>Question #2: How does these tests relate to the playing of a game at 40/2? >>>>> >>>>>Question #3: How many of these tests, either short or long are we supposed to >>>>>run? >>>>> >>>>>Question #4: On what criteria do you base your answers to the above? >>>>> >>>>>Now, I ran a short test with 32 megs for hash tables and the score was 133 >>>>>HiarcsMark 39kN/S. When I ran the same test with 64 megs, the score was 131 >>>>>HiarcsMark 39 kN/S. >>>>>At 145 megs the score was lower in kN/S and HiarcsMark. >>>>> >>>>>When I ran the long test with 32 megs of HT, the score was 280 HiarcsMark with >>>>>35 kN/S. When I ran the same test with 64 megs for HT, the score was still 280 >>>>>HiarcsMark but 34kN/S. Please keep in mind that I only ran one test for each >>>>>set-up. Now, there is absolutely nothing in regards to how these tests relate to >>>>>actual play or how many tests should be run - with Fritz 5.32 I believe it's all >>>>>automatic. >>>>> >>>>>I thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Mel, Presdent of the Hiarcs Confusion Club. New menbers are welcome. There is no >>>>>annual membership fee. The only requirement is to own Hiarcs 7.32 and the rest >>>>>should come naturally. >>>>-------- >>>>Hi Mel, >>>> Did you know that the time control is in direct relation with how many MB of >>>>Hash Size you use and the speed of your computer is in direct relation with how >>>>high the KN/S will be! Whats your CPU Speed and total RAM? >>>> My CPU Speed is a AMD K6-2, 266mhz MMX with 64RAM: My average HI-Mark is 93, >>>>and i get a 26 KN/S when following the Optimum Hash Size in Configurations. >>>>For instance, info recommends for Game/60min.= 24MB Hash Size but i get a bit >>>>better HI-Mark using 18.432MB which gives me a 93 Hi-Mark and 26 KN/S. >>>>At 30min. it recommends Optimum of 12MB and i use 12.288MB which gives me a - >>>>94 Hi-Mark with 26 KN/S. >>>> Now the Confusion Starts: I discovered that if i ignor all the Recommendations >>>>and set the Hash Size for Only 1 or 2 MB for any Time Control- Setting, i will >>>>get a Wopping Hi-Mark of 193 and 27 KN/S. >>>> I got a recommendation to use this Formula: 2 x KN/S x Average Sec.per Move: >>>>Lets say a time of 40/2hour.= 180 seconds per move in the above formula so here >>>>we go: 2 x 26 x 180 = 9360 KB = 9.360 MB of Hash Size! I know it seems low but >>>>don`t forget that Fritz fills up the Hash Table 10 times Faster than Hiarcs does >>>>and that Optimum Hash recommendation in the Configuration settings was for meant >>>>for Fritz!! I didn`t mean to cofuse you even more but after all, thats why we >>>>joined the Confusion Club of Hiarcs!!!!! Ha Ha!! >>> >>>Hello Terry, >>> >>>You can consider yourself an honary member of the Club. Thanks for adding more >>>confusion and causing me to take two aspirin. Now, you didn't really address the >>>questions as to how many of these tests we are supposed to run, >> >>I would run it 1 time and then never run it again...unless for some reason you >>think your computer is running slow for some reason, the hiarcsmark makes an ok >>check for this. >> >> >> and what is the >>>purpose for having a short and long test? >> >>Just to check the system speed at a short and long time period. With Hiarcs I >>would only use the long test. >> >> Remember, I'm a Vitamin expert, not a >>>computer whiz. >>> >>>So the formula in System Configuration is wrong? Hmmm? Maybe that's why >>>ChessBase doesn't answer my question about that; however, Gambit-Soft support >>>said it was correct! Anyway, how could Hiarcs only need such a small amount of >>>megs even though it's different than Fritz? Are you saying that with more megs >>>for HT it will perform worse??? >> >> >>Don't worry about hash size with Hiarcs 7. You gain nothing by using more then >>64mb, but it does not hurt you either. I see nothing that shows using 64mb hurts >>you at fast time controls. I would just pick a setting you like in your own mind >>and keep it there. >> >Hello Mark, > >I thank you for making life a little easier for me. You have put my mind at >ease. I will now ask you instead of ConfusionBase, err, I mean ChessBase. Now, >Mark, I have two more questions for you: > >1. Would I be correct in assuming that the HiarcsMark is more important than >kN/S? In other words, are we really after a higher HiarcsMark as opposed to a >higher kN/S score? The hiarcsmark mean nothing to me, I don't know how it is calculated. I myself look at the time to complete the test, as I do when I run problems. > >2. Here is a game where in the opening Hiarcs played a move that the info screen >highlighted in red as "no": I don't like the opening book in hiarcs 7.32. I don't know if I just don't know how to use it or it has a bug. It is supposed to be the book in Hiarcs 7 and play the same, but I was forced to set all of the opening moves off (no play in tournament) expect the top 4 which I think are 1. e4, 1. d4, 1. Nf3, and 1. c4 This has made the book much more like Hiarcs 7 dos. > >1.e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 6.Nxc6...bxc6 >7.e5...Nd5 8.Ne4...f5 9.Nd6+ and here Hiarcs played Bxd6 when the info window >displayed Bxd6 no with the no highlghted in red and was the only move listed. >How do you explain Hiarcs making a move that is displayed as not to do? Please >try it on your Hiarcs and let me know what happens. > >Mel >> >>If you want to get a clearer understanding how hash effects hiarcs 7.32 speed, >>just runs set of problems with hiarcs 7.32 and see how it performs with >>different hash sizes. >> >>> >>>I think all the CM6000K guys must be having a good laugh about all this - maybe >>>I should get CM6000K. This whole situation with Hiarcs is in my opinion - >>>ABSURD. The wrong manual, wrong hash table info, no explanation about >>>HiarcsMark, tablebase confusion - I consider it fortunate we were able to run >>>the program at all. ChessBase deserves a lot of credit for being unresponsive >>>and totally without regard for the consumer. Either they don't answer, or they >>>can't answer. Even Mark Uniacke never responded to my query about hash tables. >>>Well, at this point, I don't know if what you say above about "your" formula for >>>HT is true. I would like to hear from Mark Uniacke here and get the truth. Also, >>>I am still interested in what the reason is for the short and long tests? And >>>how many tests are we supposed to run? Furthermore, is it fact that a higher >>>HiarcsMark with a lower kN/S is better than a lower HiarcsMark with a higher >>>kN/S? >>> >>>For your information: I have an AMD K6 400MHz processor with 192 MB of RAM and >>>10.0 GB on the hard drive. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mel> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Terry
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