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Subject: Re: Yes, Hiarcs 6 is Dumb.

Author: James Robertson

Date: 20:59:25 06/27/99

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On June 27, 1999 at 16:25:42, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On June 27, 1999 at 16:19:33, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 1999 at 11:54:27, James Robertson wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two
>>>>>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the
>>>>>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves!
>>>>>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the
>>>>>>>>>Opening stages!!
>>>>>>>>>--------
>>>>>>>>>Terry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the
>>>>>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>---------
>>>>>>>The point, James
>>>>>>>   Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low
>>>>>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would
>>>>>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6
>>>>>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as
>>>>>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i
>>>>>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and
>>>>>>>probaly beat the the rated master!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC
>>>>>>he probably would have beaten Fritz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time
>>>>>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my
>>>>>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF
>>>>>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the
>>>>>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew
>>>>>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats my Point!
>>>>>>>Best regards.
>>>>>>>Terry
>>>>>-----------
>>>>>Hardly James,
>>>>>      He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were
>>>>>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to
>>>>>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player!
>>>>>      He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there
>>>>>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!!
>>>>>--------
>>>>>Terry
>>>>--------
>>>>James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a
>>>>different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you
>>>>more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program
>>>>(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the
>>>>game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move
>>>>at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move
>>>>instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical
>>>>point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to
>>>>Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was
>>>>making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum
>>>>comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying
>>>>that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters!
>>>>I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant.
>>>>--------
>>>>Best regards.
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :)
>>>
>>>I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a
>>>different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse.
>>>
>>>James
>>---------
>>Now we are getting somewhere James,
>>   I agree with you about it is premature to say that a player could have won
>>after a different move as there is the rest of the game to play out but there is
>>that "possibility" that the different move is perhaps a better one that might
>>make the difference in the outcome of the game, but it might not either!
>>------
>>Terry
>--------
>PS. I wanted to add that i know that i was being a bit Optimistic about the
>different move changing the game for a win!
>-------
>Take care James!

You too! For some reason I always write really inflammatory posts and spend the
rest of the threads trying to back up and explain myself. :)

James



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