Author: James Robertson
Date: 20:59:25 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 16:25:42, Terry Ripple wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 16:19:33, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On June 27, 1999 at 11:54:27, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 1999 at 05:23:50, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 27, 1999 at 04:26:05, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 20:47:27, James Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:58:30, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:13:04, James Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 26, 1999 at 17:06:28, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I agree Mark, you said it all in a nut shell! If you checked out my last two >>>>>>>>>posts to his last two games where i let Hiarcs7.32 play the same games at the >>>>>>>>>same time in the critical positions,Hiarcs would not have made those weak moves! >>>>>>>>>Plus Hiarcs6 and Hiarcs7.32 don`t even agree to some of the early moves in the >>>>>>>>>Opening stages!! >>>>>>>>>-------- >>>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My program doesn't make some of the weak moves and doesn't agree on most of the >>>>>>>>early moves in the opening stages. What's your point? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>James >>>>>>>--------- >>>>>>>The point, James >>>>>>> Some observers on this forum are comparing these two loses against the low >>>>>>>rated master as why Chess programs are not High Rated Masters because they would >>>>>>>not have made those silly errors and as the result a loss. Don`t compare Hiarcs6 >>>>>>>loss to the other high rated programs as though these would also perform as >>>>>>>poorly and also don`t deserve to be known as high rated Masters. The moves i >>>>>>>posted from Hiarcs7.32 in the 2 games, shows it would have performed better and >>>>>>>probaly beat the the rated master! >>>>>> >>>>>>Well.... that is like saying that if Sokolov had not played 11. Bc5 at the WCCC >>>>>>he probably would have beaten Fritz. >>>>>> >>>>>>> My friend is a 2345 USCF Master and played more than 2 dozen games at time >>>>>>>controls of game/60min., game/45min. and games/30 against Chessmaster6000 in my >>>>>>>home and his results to show are Only 1 win!!! Top Programs are Grandmasters! >>>>>> >>>>>>That still proves nothing; he may be extremely inept at playing computers, USCF >>>>>>ratings are >100 points higher than FIDE ratings, and who knows what the >>>>>>circumstances were at your house. Could be anything from a construction crew >>>>>>building a skyscraper next door to him chatting and relaxing with you. :) >>>>>> >>>>>>James >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thats my Point! >>>>>>>Best regards. >>>>>>>Terry >>>>>----------- >>>>>Hardly James, >>>>> He took these games Very seriously because he knew that the games were >>>>>going to be distributed to the members of our club and he doesnt like to lose to >>>>>anyone or anything! You know thats the criteria for a good player! >>>>> He was Pennsylvania State Champion the past 3 years in a row and there >>>>>were some higher ratings than his that he needed to Beat!!! >>>>>-------- >>>>>Terry >>>>-------- >>>>James, you don`t get my drift! Your comment about if Sokolov had played a >>>>different move then he probaly would have beaten Fritz! I can`t agree with you >>>>more on this statement but I`am talking about a different upgraded program >>>>(Hiarcs7.32) disagreeing with Hiarcs6 moves at certain critical points of the >>>>game! Example= Asking Kasporov`s opinion of Sokolov`s game on the critical move >>>>at move 11.Bc5 and we would all respect Kasporov`s opinion of a different move >>>>instead of 11.Bc5 because he is a stronger player.A different move at a critical >>>>point can change the outcome. That is what i mean by comparing Hiarcs6 to >>>>Hiarcs7.32 with the disagreement of certain key moves in those 2 games.I was >>>>making those key move comparisons because there are people on this forum >>>>comparing Hiarcs6 loses to a low rated master to the other top programs, saying >>>>that this is why all chess programs are still not High Rated Masters! >>>>I hope i`am getting my point across, this is just what i meant. >>>>-------- >>>>Best regards. >>>>Terry >>> >>>I think I understand your point now, but I disagree with it. :) >>> >>>I think it is premature to say that a player probably could have won after a >>>different move when _even after the better move_ they are worse. >>> >>>James >>--------- >>Now we are getting somewhere James, >> I agree with you about it is premature to say that a player could have won >>after a different move as there is the rest of the game to play out but there is >>that "possibility" that the different move is perhaps a better one that might >>make the difference in the outcome of the game, but it might not either! >>------ >>Terry >-------- >PS. I wanted to add that i know that i was being a bit Optimistic about the >different move changing the game for a win! >------- >Take care James! You too! For some reason I always write really inflammatory posts and spend the rest of the threads trying to back up and explain myself. :) James
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