Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:14:02 06/29/99
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On June 28, 1999 at 16:38:15, James T. Walker wrote: >On June 28, 1999 at 11:00:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 28, 1999 at 09:57:20, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>> >>>On June 28, 1999 at 01:27:53, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On June 27, 1999 at 16:43:59, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 27, 1999 at 15:49:53, odell hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking about setting up a computer account on ICC? Does anyone know >>>>>>Which Program would do the best? If the choice was between Genius 5 , hiarcs6, >>>>>>Mchess 8 or Genius 3? I have heard that Genius 5 is the Best a blitz chess >>>>>>(game/15) is this still true. What program would tear the crafty clone Data to >>>>>>shreds!! (incredibly strong data is!) Or should I just go out and purchase >>>>>>Chessmaster 6000 to do the Job? >>>>> >>>>>The best results I have had is with Hiarcs 7.01. I have not had a chance to play >>>>>7.32 online because of the testing I am running now. I most likely will only >>>>>test Hiarcs 7.32 against humans online, after testing Hiarcs 7.01 online against >>>>>other computers its left a bad taste in my mouth. I try to test against the best >>>>>programs online and play a set amount of games, but with Hiarcs 7 this became >>>>>almost impossible because of the high winning percentage Hiarcs 7 was >>>>>generating. The automatic programs would no play me, or change the time formula >>>>>to only play 0 inc games in the middle of my testing, and some of the other >>>>>manuale computer operators were no better. Rating protection in online play is >>>>>only getting worse, and thats to bad because it was a nice tool to use in the >>>>>evaluation of chess programs. >>>> >>>>I do not understand it. >>>>I think that programmers should prefer to play against strong opponents because >>>>they can learn from the games that they lose to improve their programs. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>He is not talking about programmers. >>> >>>bruce >> >> >>Bruce, myself, Stanback, Ban, plus the usual cast of the "under 2600 club" here >>play on ICC and do just what you suggest. But we are a tiny bit of the total >>number of computers playing there. There are dozens of Fritz, Hiarcs, shredder, >>and so forth (not to mention crafty, comet, tcb, etc) that are run by _others_. >>And _they_ are not working on improving their programs. Many work only to >>improve their 'rating' which is a point I don't understand. > >He may be talking about programmers. If the shoe fits, wear it. Programmers >are not immune from the action he is talking about. There seems to be a rating >point contest on ICC and programmers seem to be caught up in this action too. >It seems like programmers can't separate their egos from their programs either. >There are many childish "games" being played on ICC with computer accounts. I >run a computer account on ICC as a hobby. I enjoy watching the different >programs play each other. It is a long time hobby of mine that goes back to my >first two chess computers (Chess Challenger 10 vs Sargon 2.5). I can play Fritz >vs Crafty at home but I don't have a "Quad Xeon" so I don't get the same quality >of play I would get if I get a chance to play Fritz/Hiarcs vs Crafty. So I enjoy >the games on the Internet. And If I get a chance to watch a GM / IM play >Fritz/Hiarcs it's a real treat for me! That's what I get out of running a >computer account. And Bob, I got to tell you, your words ring a little hollow >on this point. I'm still on the Crafty "Noplay" list and my only "Crime" is >that I played 5 games vs Crafty. This after I explained, that there was nothing >in your notes about this and it was just a misunderstanding. Is this your way >of protecting your rating points? >I, like the above poster, was under the impression that programmers would like >to test their programs against top level competition to look for flaws. I would >think you would learn more from one loss vs Fritz than winning 16 of 17 vs a FM. > I thought it would be better if the progams were actually playing chess rather >than just sitting idle waiting for a GM / IM to come along. Apparently I was >wrong. >Jim Walker If you will again remind me of your ICC handle, I will remove you. My noplay list is very long, because I use the ZIPPYNOPLAYCRAFTY option that will auto- noplay any crafty clone that matches me. Bob
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