Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 01:32:14 06/30/99
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On June 29, 1999 at 22:56:34, Mark Young wrote: >On June 29, 1999 at 21:52:24, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >> >>On June 29, 1999 at 18:26:11, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On June 29, 1999 at 13:58:26, eric guttenberg wrote: >>> >>>>Jim, >>>> >>>>It is looking more and more like F5.32 is simply stronger than H7.32 at >>>>all time levels when each program is operating on a separate computer, or >>>>am I missing something? >>>>Does anyone have any evidence otherwise? Aside from those engine v engine >>>>games, I cannot remember any results showing H7.32 on top of Fritz. >>>>Do you consider it possible that the autoplayer may affect performances? >>>> >>>>I have both H7.32 and F5.32 but I have only one computer and cannot test >>>>them as I would like. >>>> >>>>eric >>> >>>I have not looked at your games, but if your copy of hiarcs is like mine, the >>>opening book is causing most of the losses. I had to setup my book by hand for >>>it to play somewhat like the dos version of the Hiarcs 7 book and get a good >>>test of the program. Otherwise it would stop playing winning lines in e4 or d4 >>>and c4 and start playing b3,g3,f4 etc as its first move, and be lost in most >>>cases out of the opening. I don't understad how this Hiarcs book works at all, >>>it will throw out winning lines after 1 game, and start moving down the tree of >>>first moves. I'm not sure this is a bug, or something I am mistakenly telling it >>>to do. I have the book set to optimum and tournament, so I don't understad first >>>moves like b3 etc. when Hiarcs 7 dos would never play this in tournament book. >>_________________________________________________________ >> >>The problem with Hiarcs book is not only on the first move; for example, check >>out the following: >> >>Hiarcs: White: 1. e4...e5 2.Bc4...Nf6 3.Nf3...Nxe4 4.Nc3...Nxc3 5.dxc3...f6 >>6.Nh4...g6 7.f4...c6 8.f5...d5...9.f6... Look at this position and clearly >>Black is better. Now, an even greater example where Hiarcs really plays an awful >>opening in the Sicilian: >> >>Hiarcs: Black: 1. e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 >>6.e5...Nd5 7.Ne4...f5 8.Nd6+...Bxd6.... And what do you think of both >>positions at this point? Is this tournament level? Is it by any means >>Grandmaster chess? Ha ha!! >> >>Regards, >>Mel >>___________________________________________________________ > > >I know, the whole book is screwed up. ----------------- My Hiarcs7.32 don`t make those terrible moves!!! In your first opening on move- #4.Nc3, Tournament book only plays the move 4.d4 and if you turn off tournament- book then it can play 4.Nc3. Now if i continue the line after 4.Nc3 and proceed up to move 9.which now is out of book and set on 40/2hr. level, Hiarcs will play for white on move 9.fxg6,dxc4 10.Qh5,kd7 11.g7,Bxg7 = -.24 Equality!!! Now your second opening in the Sicilian: My Tournament book in Hiarcs7.32 will not even play this unless i turn off it`s tournament book! Now with it off it will play up to move 5....Nc6 for black and then 6.e5?. Why 6...Nd5? My Hiarcs plays 6....Nxe5 and then is a plus for Black! It doesn`t play any of those moves you list from move #6. What is it i`am not seeing? Please explain Best regards, Terry Ripple
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