Author: Melvin S. Schwartz
Date: 16:40:14 06/30/99
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On June 30, 1999 at 04:32:14, Terry Ripple wrote: >On June 29, 1999 at 22:56:34, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 29, 1999 at 21:52:24, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >> >>> >>>On June 29, 1999 at 18:26:11, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 29, 1999 at 13:58:26, eric guttenberg wrote: >>>> >>>>>Jim, >>>>> >>>>>It is looking more and more like F5.32 is simply stronger than H7.32 at >>>>>all time levels when each program is operating on a separate computer, or >>>>>am I missing something? >>>>>Does anyone have any evidence otherwise? Aside from those engine v engine >>>>>games, I cannot remember any results showing H7.32 on top of Fritz. >>>>>Do you consider it possible that the autoplayer may affect performances? >>>>> >>>>>I have both H7.32 and F5.32 but I have only one computer and cannot test >>>>>them as I would like. >>>>> >>>>>eric >>>> >>>>I have not looked at your games, but if your copy of hiarcs is like mine, the >>>>opening book is causing most of the losses. I had to setup my book by hand for >>>>it to play somewhat like the dos version of the Hiarcs 7 book and get a good >>>>test of the program. Otherwise it would stop playing winning lines in e4 or d4 >>>>and c4 and start playing b3,g3,f4 etc as its first move, and be lost in most >>>>cases out of the opening. I don't understad how this Hiarcs book works at all, >>>>it will throw out winning lines after 1 game, and start moving down the tree of >>>>first moves. I'm not sure this is a bug, or something I am mistakenly telling it >>>>to do. I have the book set to optimum and tournament, so I don't understad first >>>>moves like b3 etc. when Hiarcs 7 dos would never play this in tournament book. >>>_________________________________________________________ >>> >>>The problem with Hiarcs book is not only on the first move; for example, check >>>out the following: >>> >>>Hiarcs: White: 1. e4...e5 2.Bc4...Nf6 3.Nf3...Nxe4 4.Nc3...Nxc3 5.dxc3...f6 >>>6.Nh4...g6 7.f4...c6 8.f5...d5...9.f6... Look at this position and clearly >>>Black is better. Now, an even greater example where Hiarcs really plays an awful >>>opening in the Sicilian: >>> >>>Hiarcs: Black: 1. e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 >>>6.e5...Nd5 7.Ne4...f5 8.Nd6+...Bxd6.... And what do you think of both >>>positions at this point? Is this tournament level? Is it by any means >>>Grandmaster chess? Ha ha!! >>> >>>Regards, >>>Mel >>>___________________________________________________________ >> >> >>I know, the whole book is screwed up. >----------------- >My Hiarcs7.32 don`t make those terrible moves!!! In your first opening on move- >#4.Nc3, Tournament book only plays the move 4.d4 and if you turn off tournament- >book then it can play 4.Nc3. Now if i continue the line after 4.Nc3 and proceed >up to move 9.which now is out of book and set on 40/2hr. level, Hiarcs will play >for white on move 9.fxg6,dxc4 10.Qh5,kd7 11.g7,Bxg7 = -.24 Equality!!! > > Now your second opening in the Sicilian: My Tournament book in Hiarcs7.32 will >not even play this unless i turn off it`s tournament book! Now with it off it >will play up to move 5....Nc6 for black and then 6.e5?. Why 6...Nd5? My Hiarcs >plays 6....Nxe5 and then is a plus for Black! It doesn`t play any of those moves >you list from move #6. What is it i`am not seeing? Please explain > >Best regards, >Terry Ripple __________________________________________________________ Hello Terry, I will respond here because you are apparently referring to the Sicilian I posted. YES, my Hiarcs 7.32 with Tournament Book ON and playing at 40/2 played Nd5 and all the other moves I posted above. I have not changed anything in the tree - the tree is as was originally copied. I did not force any moves. Hiarcs played the moves in both openings I presented above. If your Hiarcs will NOT play those moves, one of us has an imposter!!! Personally, I can't wait for Shredder 4 and Fritz 6 to come out and trash this LIARCS (Low Intelligent Auto Response Chess System). I believe that more than just the manual got screwed-up in the making of this program. Regards, Mel
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