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Subject: Re: Hiarcs v Fritz opening books

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 07:34:03 07/01/99

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On June 30, 1999 at 19:09:17, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:

>
>On June 30, 1999 at 16:08:11, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On June 30, 1999 at 13:32:18, Chuck wrote:
>>
>>>On June 30, 1999 at 12:33:37, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 30, 1999 at 12:23:41, eric guttenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A couple of recent posts have suggested that H7.32's opening book contains
>>>>>a high number of seriously defective lines which may have contributed to
>>>>>its negative score versus F5.32 in Jim Walker's autoplay games reported here
>>>>>recently.
>>>>>Is there in fact a significant quality gap between the opening lines played
>>>>>out of F5.32 and H7.32 in their original opening books?
>>>>>I am just trying to make some sense out or the highly coflicting results
>>>>>between these two programs.  It is almost enough to make me go out and buy
>>>>>a second computer system to run some tests myself, but then my wife would
>>>>>probably be facing homocide charges...
>>>>>
>>>>>eric
>>>>
>>>>Oh, these problems can be solved by therapy or something! At least we know
>>>>that Hiarcs MUST play with "tournamentbook" on!
>>>>
>>>
>>>>Greetings!
>>>>Sune
>>>
>>>IMO Fritz has the best opening book of all the programs (with the possible
>>>exception of Junior and Nimzo, which I don't have). I have NEVER seen Fritz
>>>come out of book in a bad position. Fritz probably scores alot of points in
>>>the SSDF, especially against older programs, before it even begins calculating.
>>
>>-----------
>>Hi Hiarcs7.32 Owners!
>>  My post from last night in regards to 2 games and one was a Sicilian was about
>>this very thing. My Hiarcs7.32 never gone into these bogus lines and actually
>>showed a decent plus in the one opening and the other, equality!
>>  I think who ever is getting messed up opening lines from Hiarcs should try and
>>Re-set the Opening tree! There were other opening lines in __________________________________________________________
>
>Hello Terry,
>
>What do you mean reset the tree? You copy the opening book tree onto the hard
>drive and that should be all you need to do. I have seen Hiarcs 7.32 play bad
>openings because it is part of the book moves and at tournament level. I agree
>with the post above about Fritz F5 Book CTG being better than Hiarcs. I think
>the opening book in Hiarcs allows too much variety. I have examples of only
>about 8 moves and Hiarcs position is severely weakened - a BIG passed pawn in
>the center! The problem, I believe, is there are too many variations allowed. I
>think the Fritz book is more limited and plays openings better suited for
>Fritz's playing style.
>I do not consider the opening book in Hiarcs to be of tournament level - just my
>opinion.
>
>Regards,
>Mel
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Hi Mel, The Variety is greatly minimized in Tournament Book mode and dont forget
that it has a learning feature in its book as you continue playing with it the
opening choices in its book diminish as i found out that it would no longer play
b3 and b4 as an example!
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Terry
>__________________________________________________________
>
>openings that were
>>complained about and when i ran it through my Hiarcs7.32 it was fine.
>>  Best regards,
>> Terry Ripple



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