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Subject: Re: Hiarcs v Fritz opening books

Author: Melvin S. Schwartz

Date: 12:00:09 07/01/99

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On July 01, 1999 at 10:34:03, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On June 30, 1999 at 19:09:17, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:
>
>>
>>On June 30, 1999 at 16:08:11, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>On June 30, 1999 at 13:32:18, Chuck wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 30, 1999 at 12:33:37, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 30, 1999 at 12:23:41, eric guttenberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>A couple of recent posts have suggested that H7.32's opening book contains
>>>>>>a high number of seriously defective lines which may have contributed to
>>>>>>its negative score versus F5.32 in Jim Walker's autoplay games reported here
>>>>>>recently.
>>>>>>Is there in fact a significant quality gap between the opening lines played
>>>>>>out of F5.32 and H7.32 in their original opening books?
>>>>>>I am just trying to make some sense out or the highly coflicting results
>>>>>>between these two programs.  It is almost enough to make me go out and buy
>>>>>>a second computer system to run some tests myself, but then my wife would
>>>>>>probably be facing homocide charges...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>eric
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, these problems can be solved by therapy or something! At least we know
>>>>>that Hiarcs MUST play with "tournamentbook" on!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Greetings!
>>>>>Sune
>>>>
>>>>IMO Fritz has the best opening book of all the programs (with the possible
>>>>exception of Junior and Nimzo, which I don't have). I have NEVER seen Fritz
>>>>come out of book in a bad position. Fritz probably scores alot of points in
>>>>the SSDF, especially against older programs, before it even begins calculating.
>>>
>>>-----------
>>>Hi Hiarcs7.32 Owners!
>>>  My post from last night in regards to 2 games and one was a Sicilian was about
>>>this very thing. My Hiarcs7.32 never gone into these bogus lines and actually
>>>showed a decent plus in the one opening and the other, equality!
>>>  I think who ever is getting messed up opening lines from Hiarcs should try and
>>>Re-set the Opening tree! There were other opening lines in __________________________________________________________
>>
>>Hello Terry,
>>
>>What do you mean reset the tree? You copy the opening book tree onto the hard
>>drive and that should be all you need to do. I have seen Hiarcs 7.32 play bad
>>openings because it is part of the book moves and at tournament level. I agree
>>with the post above about Fritz F5 Book CTG being better than Hiarcs. I think
>>the opening book in Hiarcs allows too much variety. I have examples of only
>>about 8 moves and Hiarcs position is severely weakened - a BIG passed pawn in
>>the center! The problem, I believe, is there are too many variations allowed. I
>>think the Fritz book is more limited and plays openings better suited for
>>Fritz's playing style.
>>I do not consider the opening book in Hiarcs to be of tournament level - just my
>>opinion.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mel
>-------------
>
>Hi Mel, The Variety is greatly minimized in Tournament Book mode and dont forget
>that it has a learning feature in its book as you continue playing with it the
>opening choices in its book diminish as i found out that it would no longer play
>b3 and b4 as an example!
>------
>Terry
>>__________________________________________________________
>>
>>openings that were
>>>complained about and when i ran it through my Hiarcs7.32 it was fine.
>>>  Best regards,
>>> Terry Ripple

Hello Terry,

I always use the tournament book for Hiarcs; and yet, I  have two excellent
examples of Hiarcs playing a lousy Sicilian and a lousy Bishop's opening. This
has nothing to do with b3, g3 or x3!!

Regards,
Mel



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