Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:44:40 07/01/99
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On July 01, 1999 at 14:34:26, blass uri wrote: > >On July 01, 1999 at 14:25:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 01, 1999 at 12:18:30, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On July 01, 1999 at 11:55:46, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On July 01, 1999 at 10:41:28, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>I am interested to know results between top ICC programs at standard time >>>>>control(if possible 2 hours/40) from the last 2 monthes. >>>>> >>>>>I guess that the top ICC programs include Ferret,Shredder,Ban,Crafty. >>>>>Is it possible to get the games between these programs in ICC? >>>>> >>>>>Which hardware do they use in ICC? >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>There is no such thing as 40 moves in 2 hours on ICC, and you will find very >>>>very few games at time controls approximating that. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>> >>>I assumed that there is because otherwise I do not understand what is the reason >>>that Bob hyatt said that he is sure that there is at least one program that is >>>better than shredder and that he assumed that shredder is a good program but not >>>the best. >>> >>>We have no data to assume that shredder was lucky. >>> >>>It is also possible that shredder prepared better for the tournament time >>>control games. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Quite simple... I have watched shredder and Ferret play for many months. They >>are probably in the same ballpark quality-wise. Except that Ferret is 3x faster >>with the parallel search. In a match, I'd personally pick ferret, and the >>longer the match, the more I'd be willing to bet, because 3x speed advantage >>is way-non-trivial... >> >>That was my point. Not that Shredder is 'bad' at all. Just that Ferret is just >>as good on equal hardware (IMHO) and with 3x the hardware it is _very difficult_ >>to handle. > >I do not agree that you can know from watching program playing at fast time >control what will happen at tournament time control. > >The only way to know is to play games at tournament time control. > >I read that the tester of shredder said about the results against commercial >programs that longer time control help shredder. > >Uri > >Uri Time doesn't matter _at all_ when you look at the right stuff. If you only look at 1-0 or 0-1, then longer games tell you more about how it plays at longer time controls. But if you look at the _moves_ you can pick out 'quality' or the lack thereof. You can tell if a program has any understanding of passed pawns, king safety, pawn structure, center control, mobility, etc. Even without knowing _how_ the game ended. That is what I look at generally. Knowing that longer time controls will repair many of the tactical mistakes, but _none_ of the positional mistakes...
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