Author: Sarah Bird
Date: 09:02:40 07/02/99
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On July 01, 1999 at 11:43:59, Terry Ripple wrote: >On June 30, 1999 at 19:40:14, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >> >>On June 30, 1999 at 04:32:14, Terry Ripple wrote: >> >>>On June 29, 1999 at 22:56:34, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 29, 1999 at 21:52:24, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On June 29, 1999 at 18:26:11, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 29, 1999 at 13:58:26, eric guttenberg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Jim, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is looking more and more like F5.32 is simply stronger than H7.32 at >>>>>>>all time levels when each program is operating on a separate computer, or >>>>>>>am I missing something? >>>>>>>Does anyone have any evidence otherwise? Aside from those engine v engine >>>>>>>games, I cannot remember any results showing H7.32 on top of Fritz. >>>>>>>Do you consider it possible that the autoplayer may affect performances? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have both H7.32 and F5.32 but I have only one computer and cannot test >>>>>>>them as I would like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>eric >>>>>> >>>>>>I have not looked at your games, but if your copy of hiarcs is like mine, the >>>>>>opening book is causing most of the losses. I had to setup my book by hand for >>>>>>it to play somewhat like the dos version of the Hiarcs 7 book and get a good >>>>>>test of the program. Otherwise it would stop playing winning lines in e4 or d4 >>>>>>and c4 and start playing b3,g3,f4 etc as its first move, and be lost in most >>>>>>cases out of the opening. I don't understad how this Hiarcs book works at all, >>>>>>it will throw out winning lines after 1 game, and start moving down the tree of >>>>>>first moves. I'm not sure this is a bug, or something I am mistakenly telling it >>>>>>to do. I have the book set to optimum and tournament, so I don't understad first >>>>>>moves like b3 etc. when Hiarcs 7 dos would never play this in tournament book. >>>>>_________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>The problem with Hiarcs book is not only on the first move; for example, check >>>>>out the following: >>>>> >>>>>Hiarcs: White: 1. e4...e5 2.Bc4...Nf6 3.Nf3...Nxe4 4.Nc3...Nxc3 5.dxc3...f6 >>>>>6.Nh4...g6 7.f4...c6 8.f5...d5...9.f6... Look at this position and clearly >>>>>Black is better. Now, an even greater example where Hiarcs really plays an awful >>>>>opening in the Sicilian: >>>>> >>>>>Hiarcs: Black: 1. e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 >>>>>6.e5...Nd5 7.Ne4...f5 8.Nd6+...Bxd6.... And what do you think of both >>>>>positions at this point? Is this tournament level? Is it by any means >>>>>Grandmaster chess? Ha ha!! >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Mel >>>>>___________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>>I know, the whole book is screwed up. >>>----------------- >>>My Hiarcs7.32 don`t make those terrible moves!!! In your first opening on move- >>>#4.Nc3, Tournament book only plays the move 4.d4 and if you turn off tournament- >>>book then it can play 4.Nc3. Now if i continue the line after 4.Nc3 and proceed >>>up to move 9.which now is out of book and set on 40/2hr. level, Hiarcs will play >>>for white on move 9.fxg6,dxc4 10.Qh5,kd7 11.g7,Bxg7 = -.24 Equality!!! >>> >>> Now your second opening in the Sicilian: My Tournament book in Hiarcs7.32 will >>>not even play this unless i turn off it`s tournament book! Now with it off it >>>will play up to move 5....Nc6 for black and then 6.e5?. Why 6...Nd5? My Hiarcs >>>plays 6....Nxe5 and then is a plus for Black! It doesn`t play any of those moves >>>you list from move #6. What is it i`am not seeing? Please explain >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Terry Ripple >>__________________________________________________________ >> >>Hello Terry, >> >>I will respond here because you are apparently referring to the Sicilian I >>posted. YES, my Hiarcs 7.32 with Tournament Book ON and playing at 40/2 played >>Nd5 and all the other moves I posted above. I have not changed anything in the >>tree - the tree is as was originally copied. I did not force any moves. Hiarcs >>played the moves in both openings I presented above. If your Hiarcs will NOT >>play those moves, one of us has an imposter!!! >> >>Personally, I can't wait for Shredder 4 and Fritz 6 to come out and trash this >>LIARCS (Low Intelligent Auto Response Chess System). I believe that more than >>just the manual got screwed-up in the making of this program. >> >>Regards, >>Mel >----------- >Hi Mel, > I found the imposter problem! You forgot to include on move 6.Nxc6 bxc6 which >comes before the move e5 Nd5!!! So is this correct to say the move order is as >the following: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Nxc6 bxc6 --- >7.e5 Nd5(here you say Qc7! is better move than Nd5??)8.Ne4 f5 9.Nd6 Bxd6. Do i >have this move order as correct and the way your Hiarcs7.32 plays this? >------ >Regards, >Terry I have also been looking at these lines, after naturally adding the missing moves 6. Nxc6....bxc6. I think he must acknowledge his mistakes since no reply has been made to either of the posts about this Sicilian line. These posts of his have been a waste of everyones time, since he posted wrong moves then didn't even comment on the replies he got. Where are the group filters, now that's an idea for CCC. Sarah.
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