Author: Sarah Bird
Date: 16:59:52 07/02/99
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On July 02, 1999 at 17:22:08, KarinsDad wrote: >On July 02, 1999 at 16:32:21, Sarah Bird wrote: > >[snip] > >Lines are already being drawn. Only certain individuals are invited. Only one >program gets to play in the event. The time limit is not standard times, but >G25 (an advantage for the computer). Computers would I am sure be willing to participate at any time controls man chooses. It wasn't the computer that set the times for the tourney at 25 mins. >There are already limits to what can and >cannot occur in the tournament. > > >Not in the sense that they do in superGM human/human games. There, the >advantage of a novelty is clear. In human/computer games, just playing the >French or the King's Indian MAY be enough to have an advantage for the human >since the program may get confused once it gets out of book. Program gets confused when it comes out of book?. The program may have to search for the first time anytime after coming out of book, I don't think it knows or cares if that is at move 2 or 22 or what opening line was played. > > >I do not consider Karpov or Anand to be the best players this year. Anand fell >apart a few months back and hasn't recovered and Karpov has been dropping for >several years. Why would I think any different for next year? My point was Karpov was allowed to play while clearly not currently in the top (4) so why dispute a stronger version of Fritz. >I also would not say that the Russian Chess Federation would have had the right >to play Morozevich or Svidler in the Giant section instead of Karpov this year, >even though Morozevich and Svidler both seem to be playing stronger than Karpov >recently. The Russian Federation (or team) would have no more right to put a >stronger different contestant into the tournament next year than the Fritz team >has a right to put a stronger different contestant into the tournament next >year. Indeed. This isn't already the case from some countries in Olympiads. > >The difference here is that people DO NOT consider a different program to be >different (effectively) from year to year since the same programmers program >the various versions. They consider it to effectively be the same program >(i.e. it has the same name), just "slightly improved". But if I was a great >chess coach who put out different strong players every year and I called them >KarinsProdigy1 and KarinsProdigy2, etc. and I tried to say that KarinsProdigy2 >should be allowed to play in a tournament due to KarinsProdigy1 winning the >right to come back in last year tournament, people would tell me to go jump in >a lake. Only KarinsProdigy1 would be allowed to come back. From my point of >view as a coach (programmer), I use the same teaching (programming) techniques >on both versions, they are just running on different hardware with different >software. Again as previously stated, IT IS A PIECE OF SILICON who cares what changes have occured, if it is better than a previous version it should be allowed to play. Again as stated previously it is up to the tournament committee to determine what is fair and what isn't. >The same does not apply to computers. They have a major advantage in this area. >A computer program with the same name on one set of hardware is allowed to >participate in tournaments due to a different computer program with the same >name on different hardware qualifying in an earlier tournament. A person with >the same name could not do this. And in doing this what, Fritz 7 is being unfair to Fritz 6??, or just unfair to the human players??. > >And, of course, this is why it is so hard to give a rating to a program. You >have to run the same software in the same hardware configuration in order to >establish a rating for it (and this rating does not apply to other versions or >other hardware). The reason it is tough to establish a rating is more like computers not being allowed to participate. I see from the other threads that your name tends to be the last one on the thread whenever you participate in it. Therefore this will be my last post on this thread. Sarah. > >KarinsDad :)
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