Author: Sarah Bird
Date: 23:52:59 07/02/99
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On July 03, 1999 at 01:00:52, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >On July 02, 1999 at 23:14:57, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On July 02, 1999 at 20:54:19, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >> >>> >>>On July 02, 1999 at 18:37:35, Steve Lopez wrote: >>> >>>>On July 02, 1999 at 18:23:41, Steve Lopez wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 02, 1999 at 18:03:08, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>This is the Sicilian that Hiarcs 7.32 plays on my program. I re-installed the >>>>>>program and it still plays this line that both of you say is not possible. I >>>>>>suggest you open the tree, make the board small so you see the info, and check >>>>>>it out! >>>>>> >>>>>>White: Schwartz >>>>>> >>>>>>Black: Hiarcs 7.32 >>>>>> >>>>>>1.e4...c5 2.Nf3...e6 3.d4...cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3...Nc6 6.Nxc6...bxc6 >>>>>>7.e5...Nd5 8.Ne4...f5 (here Hiarcs first choice is Qc7 which it should play; >>>>>>however, f5 is listed as the other choice here. IMHO f5 should not be played at >>>>>>all). 9.Nd6+ >>>>>>...Bxd6 (and here the info screen says Bxd6 no highlighted in red) >>>>> >>>> >>>>My apologies to all. If you *manually* make the move 9.Nxd6+ (a non-book move), >>>>it *transposes* into another book line. Following that line of play out to the >>>>end of book (14...0-0), we get to a position that's come up twice in my master >>>>database: Byrne-Day, Buenos Aires ol, 1978 (1-0) and Sandor-Szelenyi, >>>>Balatonalm, 1996 (0-1). >>>> >>>>I'll leave it to stronger players than myself to debate the relative merits of >>>>this position, but various chess engines I've examined this with give the >>>>position as equal or as a slight edge to White. >>>> >>>>Crow -- ummmm-ummmmm! Good eatin'! >>>> >>>>-- Steve Lopez >>>************************************************ >>>That's intersting. The evaluation by Hiarcs had me around a +0.53. After Nd6+ >>>Hiarcs played Bxd6 and then I played exd6. And the score is me slightly better. >>>Also checked the evaluation on Fritz with me again slightly better. If there is >>>a rated Master or higher who likes 8...f5 better than Qc7, I'd like to hear from >>>him or her. >>> >>>Mel >>>************************************************* >>>******************************************************* >> >>Hi Mel, >> After you play on move 10.exd6 0-0(Hiarcs) 11.c4 Nb6 12.Be3 Ba6(.27/10)----- >>13.b3 f4(=.14/10 Equality!!!))))))) >_____________________________________ > >Hello Terry, > >You are wrong once again. First of all, you are posting hypothetcal moves that I >played - WRONG. The game continued: 11.Be2...Qb6 12.c4...Nf6 13.0-0. And Hiarcs >does not consider this position equal. :)))))) >I have no idea why you thought I played 11.c4. Hiarcs did not play Nb6, it >played 11...Qb6 and 12...Nf6. Perhaps that's because I didn't play 11.c4 but >played 11.Be2. Anyway, I do have a plus score of around 0.50 and I think a >better position. Look at Hiarcs pawn at d7 - look at my pawn at d6. Do you like >Hiarcs position here? Check it out according to the moves I played. > >Now, you can also take a look at the Bishop's opening I posted and tell me if >you like Hiarcs opening there? > >Regards, >Mel > >>Regards, >>Terry Lets try to sort this out once and for all: 1.e4.....c5 2.Nf3....e6 3.d4.....cxd4 4.Nxd4...Nf6 5.Nc3....Nc6 6.Nxc6...bxc6 7.e5.....Nd5 8.Ne4....f5 These are the moves in question as a starting point. You complain about hiarcs book using the line using 8.......f5. You have white. If you use the book at it's best settings the move f5 would never be played. That is to say tournament book on variety of play to minimum. Remember variety is set higher so that you have more variation with the book. To attempt to carry on a little further. 9. Nd6...Bxd6 10.exd...Now it gets strange since 10...Qb6 is still book. Yet if I buy into what you are telling me Hiarcs here I must assume played 0-0. 11.Be2...Qb6 12.c4....Nf6 13.0-0. And that this is the final position you complain is so bad for black. So what do we have mistaken moves posted, complaint about book but not used to it's optimum playing strength, with 10....?? I must assume another mistaken posted move, then finally last but by no means least a final position that leaves white less then 0.5 of a pawn up. As for the complaint about the bishop's opening again I would suggest you change your book settings however that was also dealt with in another thread. Thanks. Sarah.
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