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Subject: Re: AMD Processors for Chess ?

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 12:06:50 07/08/99

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On July 08, 1999 at 10:32:40, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On July 08, 1999 at 08:13:13, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>Are MCP, The King and Hiarcs that much smaller that they behave "normal" while
>>CSTal seems to be optimized for AMD?
>
>CTal is NOT optimized for AMD.
>Chris has IMO
>NO (NADA) / NONE
>
>AMD -CPU in his company, when i remember it right
>he still uses pentium2/300 he bought for paris
>championship.
>
>
>>Sorry, I can't believe it. Give me some dates of the cache sizes of MMX166,
>>AMD-K6-200.
>
>amdk6-2 has twice the cache of the intel pentium 1 cpu.
>although pentium1 mmx has twice the cache the pentium 1 without mmx has.
>Still k6-2 has bigger cache !
>therefore k6-2 is faster than pentium1 mmx.
>and pentium2 has only 32KB internal + 512 external (half speed).
>but k6-3 has 256 INTERNAL ! + 1MB pipeline-burst as external !!

This is slightly misleading.

PII has 32K L1, 512K L2 (half speed)
K6-3 has 64K L1, 256K L2 (full speed), and upto 2MB L3 (which with a 100 Mhz
board is only about 8% faster than normal DIMM memory)

However, the best Intel chips (PIIIs, not PIIs and not even counting Xeons where
the PIII version can have 2MB of L2 cache) are a little faster than the best AMD
(550 vs. 450).

If you cannot afford the big Intel chips, then the K6-3 is probably a better buy
than a PII. Even if you cannot get your code size under 298K (I am not sure how
much of the L1 cache is dedicated to code on the AMD, probably 32K), the extra
200-225 Mhz on the L2 cache puts the AMD slightly faster than the same speed PII
or PIII for chess programs (but the 500 PIII seems to outperform the 450 K6-3
even with the faster L2 cache in almost all of the tests that I have seen, but
you have to pay to get the slight performance improvement).

KarinsDad :)

>
>the engine size and evaluation part of cstal is bigger than that
>of mchess and that of the king.
>i know you don't like this, but its true.
>benchmarks show this.



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