Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 23:13:04 07/13/99
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On July 13, 1999 at 10:12:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On July 13, 1999 at 04:21:09, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1999 at 00:23:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Earlier tonite, Crafty was involved in a match with GM Loek van Wely on
>>>ICC. 5 3 time control, and crafty was winning about its normal percentage
>>>against him (about 80%, match was 9 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw at the point
>>>where the following game was played). In this game, Crafty was
>>>in book until move 23. As we passed move 20, I was counting pawns
>>>and pieces and concluded white was probably lost. At move 23,
>>>Crafty's first search said -4.00, and I thought aha, book learning
>>>to the rescue as this is dead lost. But without spoiling anything,
>>>this was the result. :)
>>>
>>>Actually, I will spoil it. At move 40, it announced a mate in 38 moves.
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>pgn:
>>>
>>>[Event "ICC 5 3"]
>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>[Date "1999.07.13"]
>>>[Round "-"]
>>>[White "crafty"]
>>>[Black "KingLoek"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[WhiteElo "3118"]
>>>[BlackElo "2956"]
>>>[Opening "Sicilian: Najdorf, Poisoned pawn variation"]
>>>[ECO "B97"]
>>>[NIC "SI.08"]
>>>[Time "00:00:49"]
>>>[TimeControl "300+3"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8.
>>>Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. f5 Nc6 11. fxe6 fxe6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. e5 dxe5 14.
>>>Bxf6 gxf6 15. Ne4 Be7 16. Be2 h5 17. Rb3 Qa4 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 19. c4 Bh4+ 20.
>>>g3 Be7 21. O-O h4 22. Bd3 Rg8 23. Qf2 Rg7 24. Bg6+ Rxg6 25. Qf7+ Kd8 26.
>>>Rd1+ Bd7 27. Rxd7+ Kxd7 28. Rd3+ Kc7 29. Qxe7+ Kb6 30. Rb3+ Qxb3 31. axb3
>>>hxg3 32. c5+ Kb5 33. Qb7+ Kxc5 34. Qxa8 gxh2+ 35. Kxh2 Rg4 36. Qxa6 Rb4 37.
>>>Qa5+ Rb5 38. b4+ Kc4 39. Qc7 c5 40. bxc5 Rxc5 41. Qd6 e4 42. Qxe6+ Kd4 43.
>>>Qf6+ Kd5 44. Kg3 Rc2 45. Qd8+ Ke5 46. Qh8+ Kd5 47. Qh5+ Kc4 48. Kf4
>>>{Black resigns}
>>>1-0
>>>
>>>
>>>ICC format with times so that you can see when it went out of book:
>>>crafty (3118) vs. KingLoek (2956) --- 1999.07.13 00:00:49
>>>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>>>
>>> 1. e4 (0:01) c5 (0:02)
>>> 2. Nf3 (0:00) d6 (0:01)
>>> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:01)
>>> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Nf6 (0:00)
>>> 5. Nc3 (0:00) a6 (0:02)
>>> 6. Bg5 (0:00) e6 (0:01)
>>> 7. f4 (0:00) Qb6 (0:01)
>>> 8. Qd2 (0:00) Qxb2 (0:01)
>>> 9. Rb1 (0:00) Qa3 (0:01)
>>> 10. f5 (0:00) Nc6 (0:05)
>>> 11. fxe6 (0:00) fxe6 (0:02)
>>> 12. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:02)
>>> 13. e5 (0:00) dxe5 (0:02)
>>> 14. Bxf6 (0:00) gxf6 (0:02)
>>> 15. Ne4 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>> 16. Be2 (0:00) h5 (0:06)
>>> 17. Rb3 (0:00) Qa4 (0:08)
>>> 18. Nxf6+ (0:00) Bxf6 (0:02)
>>> 19. c4 (0:00) Bh4+ (0:18)
>>> 20. g3 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>> 21. O-O (0:00) h4 (0:19)
>>> 22. Bd3 (0:00) Rg8 (1:05)
>>> 23. Qf2 (0:17) Rg7 (0:13)
>>> 24. Bg6+ (0:16) Rxg6 (0:17)
>>> 25. Qf7+ (0:00) Kd8 (0:11)
>>> 26. Rd1+ (0:01) Bd7 (0:02)
>>> 27. Rxd7+ (0:12) Kxd7 (0:02)
>>> 28. Rd3+ (0:11) Kc7 (0:12)
>>> 29. Qxe7+ (0:00) Kb6 (0:01)
>>> 30. Rb3+ (0:23) Qxb3 (0:03)
>>> 31. axb3 (0:09) hxg3 (0:01)
>>> 32. c5+ (0:12) Kb5 (0:15)
>>> 33. Qb7+ (0:00) Kxc5 (0:01)
>>> 34. Qxa8 (0:10) gxh2+ (0:02)
>>> 35. Kxh2 (0:09) Rg4 (0:09)
>>> 36. Qxa6 (0:11) Rb4 (0:02)
>>> 37. Qa5+ (0:11) Rb5 (0:01)
>>> 38. b4+ (0:10) Kc4 (0:20)
>>> 39. Qc7 (0:11) c5 (0:05)
>>> 40. bxc5 (0:11) Rxc5 (0:02)
>>> 41. Qd6 (0:00) e4 (0:58)
>>> 42. Qxe6+ (0:00) Kd4 (0:01)
>>> 43. Qf6+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>> 44. Kg3 (0:00) Rc2 (0:19)
>>> 45. Qd8+ (0:00) Ke5 (0:03)
>>> 46. Qh8+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>> 47. Qh5+ (0:00) Kc4 (0:07)
>>> 48. Kf4 (0:00)
>>> {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>~
>>---------
>>Hi Bob,
>> It takes the human player about 1 or 2 seconds on average(if he is fast) to
>>initiate his move on the board, but the computer don`t lose any time at all
>>while in book and also faster to initiate all his other moves than a human can,
>>so the player should get compensation for this based on how many average book
>>moves are made in a game plus several additional seconds for the game to
>>compensate him, just my opinion! What is your opinion on this and would it even
>>matter except for maybe a few games where there would be a time factor?
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Terry
>
>
>
>Not good humans. They can make moves in a fraction of a second. I have played
>games that went beyond 240 moves vs humans on ICC. Time control? 3 0.
>
>I have watched Roman play 50 moves in under 30 seconds beating me...
>-------
Thats almost .5 second per move on average! Probaly the only way to achieve this
is to have a very small chess board on your screen, so there is less traveling
time! Thats still very fast, but thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
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Terry
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>And the players (GM) get to pick their time control. Several like to play
>Crafty 5 5. Browne usually plays it 5 14. Some prefer 5 0 (Kamsky) while
>others prefer 2 1 or 3 0 (Roman). I let em play whatever they want... and
>even give them the 'password' so they can force draws when they think it is
>appropriate, or do a takeback on a mouse slip...
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