Author: blass uri
Date: 00:49:03 07/14/99
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On July 14, 1999 at 02:13:04, Terry Ripple wrote:
>On July 13, 1999 at 10:12:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1999 at 04:21:09, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>On July 13, 1999 at 00:23:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Earlier tonite, Crafty was involved in a match with GM Loek van Wely on
>>>>ICC. 5 3 time control, and crafty was winning about its normal percentage
>>>>against him (about 80%, match was 9 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw at the point
>>>>where the following game was played). In this game, Crafty was
>>>>in book until move 23. As we passed move 20, I was counting pawns
>>>>and pieces and concluded white was probably lost. At move 23,
>>>>Crafty's first search said -4.00, and I thought aha, book learning
>>>>to the rescue as this is dead lost. But without spoiling anything,
>>>>this was the result. :)
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I will spoil it. At move 40, it announced a mate in 38 moves.
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>pgn:
>>>>
>>>>[Event "ICC 5 3"]
>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>[Date "1999.07.13"]
>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>[White "crafty"]
>>>>[Black "KingLoek"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "3118"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2956"]
>>>>[Opening "Sicilian: Najdorf, Poisoned pawn variation"]
>>>>[ECO "B97"]
>>>>[NIC "SI.08"]
>>>>[Time "00:00:49"]
>>>>[TimeControl "300+3"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8.
>>>>Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. f5 Nc6 11. fxe6 fxe6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. e5 dxe5 14.
>>>>Bxf6 gxf6 15. Ne4 Be7 16. Be2 h5 17. Rb3 Qa4 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 19. c4 Bh4+ 20.
>>>>g3 Be7 21. O-O h4 22. Bd3 Rg8 23. Qf2 Rg7 24. Bg6+ Rxg6 25. Qf7+ Kd8 26.
>>>>Rd1+ Bd7 27. Rxd7+ Kxd7 28. Rd3+ Kc7 29. Qxe7+ Kb6 30. Rb3+ Qxb3 31. axb3
>>>>hxg3 32. c5+ Kb5 33. Qb7+ Kxc5 34. Qxa8 gxh2+ 35. Kxh2 Rg4 36. Qxa6 Rb4 37.
>>>>Qa5+ Rb5 38. b4+ Kc4 39. Qc7 c5 40. bxc5 Rxc5 41. Qd6 e4 42. Qxe6+ Kd4 43.
>>>>Qf6+ Kd5 44. Kg3 Rc2 45. Qd8+ Ke5 46. Qh8+ Kd5 47. Qh5+ Kc4 48. Kf4
>>>>{Black resigns}
>>>>1-0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ICC format with times so that you can see when it went out of book:
>>>>crafty (3118) vs. KingLoek (2956) --- 1999.07.13 00:00:49
>>>>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>>>>
>>>> 1. e4 (0:01) c5 (0:02)
>>>> 2. Nf3 (0:00) d6 (0:01)
>>>> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:01)
>>>> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Nf6 (0:00)
>>>> 5. Nc3 (0:00) a6 (0:02)
>>>> 6. Bg5 (0:00) e6 (0:01)
>>>> 7. f4 (0:00) Qb6 (0:01)
>>>> 8. Qd2 (0:00) Qxb2 (0:01)
>>>> 9. Rb1 (0:00) Qa3 (0:01)
>>>> 10. f5 (0:00) Nc6 (0:05)
>>>> 11. fxe6 (0:00) fxe6 (0:02)
>>>> 12. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:02)
>>>> 13. e5 (0:00) dxe5 (0:02)
>>>> 14. Bxf6 (0:00) gxf6 (0:02)
>>>> 15. Ne4 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>> 16. Be2 (0:00) h5 (0:06)
>>>> 17. Rb3 (0:00) Qa4 (0:08)
>>>> 18. Nxf6+ (0:00) Bxf6 (0:02)
>>>> 19. c4 (0:00) Bh4+ (0:18)
>>>> 20. g3 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>> 21. O-O (0:00) h4 (0:19)
>>>> 22. Bd3 (0:00) Rg8 (1:05)
>>>> 23. Qf2 (0:17) Rg7 (0:13)
>>>> 24. Bg6+ (0:16) Rxg6 (0:17)
>>>> 25. Qf7+ (0:00) Kd8 (0:11)
>>>> 26. Rd1+ (0:01) Bd7 (0:02)
>>>> 27. Rxd7+ (0:12) Kxd7 (0:02)
>>>> 28. Rd3+ (0:11) Kc7 (0:12)
>>>> 29. Qxe7+ (0:00) Kb6 (0:01)
>>>> 30. Rb3+ (0:23) Qxb3 (0:03)
>>>> 31. axb3 (0:09) hxg3 (0:01)
>>>> 32. c5+ (0:12) Kb5 (0:15)
>>>> 33. Qb7+ (0:00) Kxc5 (0:01)
>>>> 34. Qxa8 (0:10) gxh2+ (0:02)
>>>> 35. Kxh2 (0:09) Rg4 (0:09)
>>>> 36. Qxa6 (0:11) Rb4 (0:02)
>>>> 37. Qa5+ (0:11) Rb5 (0:01)
>>>> 38. b4+ (0:10) Kc4 (0:20)
>>>> 39. Qc7 (0:11) c5 (0:05)
>>>> 40. bxc5 (0:11) Rxc5 (0:02)
>>>> 41. Qd6 (0:00) e4 (0:58)
>>>> 42. Qxe6+ (0:00) Kd4 (0:01)
>>>> 43. Qf6+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>> 44. Kg3 (0:00) Rc2 (0:19)
>>>> 45. Qd8+ (0:00) Ke5 (0:03)
>>>> 46. Qh8+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>> 47. Qh5+ (0:00) Kc4 (0:07)
>>>> 48. Kf4 (0:00)
>>>> {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>>~
>>>---------
>>>Hi Bob,
>>> It takes the human player about 1 or 2 seconds on average(if he is fast) to
>>>initiate his move on the board, but the computer don`t lose any time at all
>>>while in book and also faster to initiate all his other moves than a human can,
>>>so the player should get compensation for this based on how many average book
>>>moves are made in a game plus several additional seconds for the game to
>>>compensate him, just my opinion! What is your opinion on this and would it even
>>>matter except for maybe a few games where there would be a time factor?
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>Not good humans. They can make moves in a fraction of a second. I have played
>>games that went beyond 240 moves vs humans on ICC. Time control? 3 0.
>>
>>I have watched Roman play 50 moves in under 30 seconds beating me...
>>-------
>Thats almost .5 second per move on average! Probaly the only way to achieve this
>is to have a very small chess board on your screen, so there is less traveling
>time! Thats still very fast, but thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
I do not agree thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
I cannot play in the speed of 50 moves in under 30 seconds in ICC even if I try
to play only 1.a3 2.Ra2 3.Ra1 4.Ra2 5.Ra1....
I tried it in ICC as a guest some monthes ago and I cannot do it.
I can do it in real chessboard because I know that the opponent is going to play
before so I am ready to do a move but in ICC I have no idea when the opponent is
going to play.
Is there a way to laern how to do it?
It is not about knowledge about chess.
Uri
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