Author: James Robertson
Date: 18:40:53 07/14/99
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On July 14, 1999 at 04:41:59, blass uri wrote:
>
>On July 14, 1999 at 03:49:03, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On July 14, 1999 at 02:13:04, Terry Ripple wrote:
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>>>On July 13, 1999 at 10:12:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 13, 1999 at 04:21:09, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 13, 1999 at 00:23:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Earlier tonite, Crafty was involved in a match with GM Loek van Wely on
>>>>>>ICC. 5 3 time control, and crafty was winning about its normal percentage
>>>>>>against him (about 80%, match was 9 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw at the point
>>>>>>where the following game was played). In this game, Crafty was
>>>>>>in book until move 23. As we passed move 20, I was counting pawns
>>>>>>and pieces and concluded white was probably lost. At move 23,
>>>>>>Crafty's first search said -4.00, and I thought aha, book learning
>>>>>>to the rescue as this is dead lost. But without spoiling anything,
>>>>>>this was the result. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, I will spoil it. At move 40, it announced a mate in 38 moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>pgn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "ICC 5 3"]
>>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>>[Date "1999.07.13"]
>>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>>[White "crafty"]
>>>>>>[Black "KingLoek"]
>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>[WhiteElo "3118"]
>>>>>>[BlackElo "2956"]
>>>>>>[Opening "Sicilian: Najdorf, Poisoned pawn variation"]
>>>>>>[ECO "B97"]
>>>>>>[NIC "SI.08"]
>>>>>>[Time "00:00:49"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "300+3"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8.
>>>>>>Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. f5 Nc6 11. fxe6 fxe6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. e5 dxe5 14.
>>>>>>Bxf6 gxf6 15. Ne4 Be7 16. Be2 h5 17. Rb3 Qa4 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 19. c4 Bh4+ 20.
>>>>>>g3 Be7 21. O-O h4 22. Bd3 Rg8 23. Qf2 Rg7 24. Bg6+ Rxg6 25. Qf7+ Kd8 26.
>>>>>>Rd1+ Bd7 27. Rxd7+ Kxd7 28. Rd3+ Kc7 29. Qxe7+ Kb6 30. Rb3+ Qxb3 31. axb3
>>>>>>hxg3 32. c5+ Kb5 33. Qb7+ Kxc5 34. Qxa8 gxh2+ 35. Kxh2 Rg4 36. Qxa6 Rb4 37.
>>>>>>Qa5+ Rb5 38. b4+ Kc4 39. Qc7 c5 40. bxc5 Rxc5 41. Qd6 e4 42. Qxe6+ Kd4 43.
>>>>>>Qf6+ Kd5 44. Kg3 Rc2 45. Qd8+ Ke5 46. Qh8+ Kd5 47. Qh5+ Kc4 48. Kf4
>>>>>>{Black resigns}
>>>>>>1-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ICC format with times so that you can see when it went out of book:
>>>>>>crafty (3118) vs. KingLoek (2956) --- 1999.07.13 00:00:49
>>>>>>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. e4 (0:01) c5 (0:02)
>>>>>> 2. Nf3 (0:00) d6 (0:01)
>>>>>> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:01)
>>>>>> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Nf6 (0:00)
>>>>>> 5. Nc3 (0:00) a6 (0:02)
>>>>>> 6. Bg5 (0:00) e6 (0:01)
>>>>>> 7. f4 (0:00) Qb6 (0:01)
>>>>>> 8. Qd2 (0:00) Qxb2 (0:01)
>>>>>> 9. Rb1 (0:00) Qa3 (0:01)
>>>>>> 10. f5 (0:00) Nc6 (0:05)
>>>>>> 11. fxe6 (0:00) fxe6 (0:02)
>>>>>> 12. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:02)
>>>>>> 13. e5 (0:00) dxe5 (0:02)
>>>>>> 14. Bxf6 (0:00) gxf6 (0:02)
>>>>>> 15. Ne4 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>>>> 16. Be2 (0:00) h5 (0:06)
>>>>>> 17. Rb3 (0:00) Qa4 (0:08)
>>>>>> 18. Nxf6+ (0:00) Bxf6 (0:02)
>>>>>> 19. c4 (0:00) Bh4+ (0:18)
>>>>>> 20. g3 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>>>> 21. O-O (0:00) h4 (0:19)
>>>>>> 22. Bd3 (0:00) Rg8 (1:05)
>>>>>> 23. Qf2 (0:17) Rg7 (0:13)
>>>>>> 24. Bg6+ (0:16) Rxg6 (0:17)
>>>>>> 25. Qf7+ (0:00) Kd8 (0:11)
>>>>>> 26. Rd1+ (0:01) Bd7 (0:02)
>>>>>> 27. Rxd7+ (0:12) Kxd7 (0:02)
>>>>>> 28. Rd3+ (0:11) Kc7 (0:12)
>>>>>> 29. Qxe7+ (0:00) Kb6 (0:01)
>>>>>> 30. Rb3+ (0:23) Qxb3 (0:03)
>>>>>> 31. axb3 (0:09) hxg3 (0:01)
>>>>>> 32. c5+ (0:12) Kb5 (0:15)
>>>>>> 33. Qb7+ (0:00) Kxc5 (0:01)
>>>>>> 34. Qxa8 (0:10) gxh2+ (0:02)
>>>>>> 35. Kxh2 (0:09) Rg4 (0:09)
>>>>>> 36. Qxa6 (0:11) Rb4 (0:02)
>>>>>> 37. Qa5+ (0:11) Rb5 (0:01)
>>>>>> 38. b4+ (0:10) Kc4 (0:20)
>>>>>> 39. Qc7 (0:11) c5 (0:05)
>>>>>> 40. bxc5 (0:11) Rxc5 (0:02)
>>>>>> 41. Qd6 (0:00) e4 (0:58)
>>>>>> 42. Qxe6+ (0:00) Kd4 (0:01)
>>>>>> 43. Qf6+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>>>> 44. Kg3 (0:00) Rc2 (0:19)
>>>>>> 45. Qd8+ (0:00) Ke5 (0:03)
>>>>>> 46. Qh8+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>>>> 47. Qh5+ (0:00) Kc4 (0:07)
>>>>>> 48. Kf4 (0:00)
>>>>>> {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>>>>~
>>>>>---------
>>>>>Hi Bob,
>>>>> It takes the human player about 1 or 2 seconds on average(if he is fast) to
>>>>>initiate his move on the board, but the computer don`t lose any time at all
>>>>>while in book and also faster to initiate all his other moves than a human can,
>>>>>so the player should get compensation for this based on how many average book
>>>>>moves are made in a game plus several additional seconds for the game to
>>>>>compensate him, just my opinion! What is your opinion on this and would it even
>>>>>matter except for maybe a few games where there would be a time factor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not good humans. They can make moves in a fraction of a second. I have played
>>>>games that went beyond 240 moves vs humans on ICC. Time control? 3 0.
>>>>
>>>>I have watched Roman play 50 moves in under 30 seconds beating me...
>>>>-------
>>>Thats almost .5 second per move on average! Probaly the only way to achieve this
>>>is to have a very small chess board on your screen, so there is less traveling
>>>time! Thats still very fast, but thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
>>
>>I do not agree thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
>>
>>I cannot play in the speed of 50 moves in under 30 seconds in ICC even if I try
>>to play only 1.a3 2.Ra2 3.Ra1 4.Ra2 5.Ra1....
>>
>>I tried it in ICC as a guest some monthes ago and I cannot do it.
>>
>>I can do it in real chessboard because I know that the opponent is going to play
>>before so I am ready to do a move but in ICC I have no idea when the opponent is
>>going to play.
>>
>>Is there a way to laern how to do it?
>>
>>It is not about knowledge about chess.
>
>I discovered some tricks how to do it.
>
>First things is to put the volume power on so I can hear when my opponent does a
>move and not only see it.
>
>Second thing is that if you expect your opponent's move then you can move the
>mouse before the opponent play and only decide to do it after the opponent does
>the expected move so you do not have to move the mouse after the opponent does
>the move.
>
>Uri
Even with these tricks, I am hopelessly slow. I usually use CClient, which may
be more difficult than Winboard. But I am _very_ lucky if I make any move at all
in less than a second, picking up the piece before the opponent has moved or
not. Having the sound up definately helps.
James
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