Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 22:03:41 07/14/99
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On July 14, 1999 at 03:49:03, blass uri wrote:
>
>On July 14, 1999 at 02:13:04, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1999 at 10:12:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 13, 1999 at 04:21:09, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 13, 1999 at 00:23:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Earlier tonite, Crafty was involved in a match with GM Loek van Wely on
>>>>>ICC. 5 3 time control, and crafty was winning about its normal percentage
>>>>>against him (about 80%, match was 9 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw at the point
>>>>>where the following game was played). In this game, Crafty was
>>>>>in book until move 23. As we passed move 20, I was counting pawns
>>>>>and pieces and concluded white was probably lost. At move 23,
>>>>>Crafty's first search said -4.00, and I thought aha, book learning
>>>>>to the rescue as this is dead lost. But without spoiling anything,
>>>>>this was the result. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I will spoil it. At move 40, it announced a mate in 38 moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>pgn:
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "ICC 5 3"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "1999.07.13"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "crafty"]
>>>>>[Black "KingLoek"]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "3118"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2956"]
>>>>>[Opening "Sicilian: Najdorf, Poisoned pawn variation"]
>>>>>[ECO "B97"]
>>>>>[NIC "SI.08"]
>>>>>[Time "00:00:49"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "300+3"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8.
>>>>>Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. f5 Nc6 11. fxe6 fxe6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. e5 dxe5 14.
>>>>>Bxf6 gxf6 15. Ne4 Be7 16. Be2 h5 17. Rb3 Qa4 18. Nxf6+ Bxf6 19. c4 Bh4+ 20.
>>>>>g3 Be7 21. O-O h4 22. Bd3 Rg8 23. Qf2 Rg7 24. Bg6+ Rxg6 25. Qf7+ Kd8 26.
>>>>>Rd1+ Bd7 27. Rxd7+ Kxd7 28. Rd3+ Kc7 29. Qxe7+ Kb6 30. Rb3+ Qxb3 31. axb3
>>>>>hxg3 32. c5+ Kb5 33. Qb7+ Kxc5 34. Qxa8 gxh2+ 35. Kxh2 Rg4 36. Qxa6 Rb4 37.
>>>>>Qa5+ Rb5 38. b4+ Kc4 39. Qc7 c5 40. bxc5 Rxc5 41. Qd6 e4 42. Qxe6+ Kd4 43.
>>>>>Qf6+ Kd5 44. Kg3 Rc2 45. Qd8+ Ke5 46. Qh8+ Kd5 47. Qh5+ Kc4 48. Kf4
>>>>>{Black resigns}
>>>>>1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>ICC format with times so that you can see when it went out of book:
>>>>>crafty (3118) vs. KingLoek (2956) --- 1999.07.13 00:00:49
>>>>>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. e4 (0:01) c5 (0:02)
>>>>> 2. Nf3 (0:00) d6 (0:01)
>>>>> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:01)
>>>>> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Nf6 (0:00)
>>>>> 5. Nc3 (0:00) a6 (0:02)
>>>>> 6. Bg5 (0:00) e6 (0:01)
>>>>> 7. f4 (0:00) Qb6 (0:01)
>>>>> 8. Qd2 (0:00) Qxb2 (0:01)
>>>>> 9. Rb1 (0:00) Qa3 (0:01)
>>>>> 10. f5 (0:00) Nc6 (0:05)
>>>>> 11. fxe6 (0:00) fxe6 (0:02)
>>>>> 12. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:02)
>>>>> 13. e5 (0:00) dxe5 (0:02)
>>>>> 14. Bxf6 (0:00) gxf6 (0:02)
>>>>> 15. Ne4 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>>> 16. Be2 (0:00) h5 (0:06)
>>>>> 17. Rb3 (0:00) Qa4 (0:08)
>>>>> 18. Nxf6+ (0:00) Bxf6 (0:02)
>>>>> 19. c4 (0:00) Bh4+ (0:18)
>>>>> 20. g3 (0:00) Be7 (0:02)
>>>>> 21. O-O (0:00) h4 (0:19)
>>>>> 22. Bd3 (0:00) Rg8 (1:05)
>>>>> 23. Qf2 (0:17) Rg7 (0:13)
>>>>> 24. Bg6+ (0:16) Rxg6 (0:17)
>>>>> 25. Qf7+ (0:00) Kd8 (0:11)
>>>>> 26. Rd1+ (0:01) Bd7 (0:02)
>>>>> 27. Rxd7+ (0:12) Kxd7 (0:02)
>>>>> 28. Rd3+ (0:11) Kc7 (0:12)
>>>>> 29. Qxe7+ (0:00) Kb6 (0:01)
>>>>> 30. Rb3+ (0:23) Qxb3 (0:03)
>>>>> 31. axb3 (0:09) hxg3 (0:01)
>>>>> 32. c5+ (0:12) Kb5 (0:15)
>>>>> 33. Qb7+ (0:00) Kxc5 (0:01)
>>>>> 34. Qxa8 (0:10) gxh2+ (0:02)
>>>>> 35. Kxh2 (0:09) Rg4 (0:09)
>>>>> 36. Qxa6 (0:11) Rb4 (0:02)
>>>>> 37. Qa5+ (0:11) Rb5 (0:01)
>>>>> 38. b4+ (0:10) Kc4 (0:20)
>>>>> 39. Qc7 (0:11) c5 (0:05)
>>>>> 40. bxc5 (0:11) Rxc5 (0:02)
>>>>> 41. Qd6 (0:00) e4 (0:58)
>>>>> 42. Qxe6+ (0:00) Kd4 (0:01)
>>>>> 43. Qf6+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>>> 44. Kg3 (0:00) Rc2 (0:19)
>>>>> 45. Qd8+ (0:00) Ke5 (0:03)
>>>>> 46. Qh8+ (0:00) Kd5 (0:03)
>>>>> 47. Qh5+ (0:00) Kc4 (0:07)
>>>>> 48. Kf4 (0:00)
>>>>> {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>>>~
>>>>---------
>>>>Hi Bob,
>>>> It takes the human player about 1 or 2 seconds on average(if he is fast) to
>>>>initiate his move on the board, but the computer don`t lose any time at all
>>>>while in book and also faster to initiate all his other moves than a human can,
>>>>so the player should get compensation for this based on how many average book
>>>>moves are made in a game plus several additional seconds for the game to
>>>>compensate him, just my opinion! What is your opinion on this and would it even
>>>>matter except for maybe a few games where there would be a time factor?
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Not good humans. They can make moves in a fraction of a second. I have played
>>>games that went beyond 240 moves vs humans on ICC. Time control? 3 0.
>>>
>>>I have watched Roman play 50 moves in under 30 seconds beating me...
>>>-------
>>Thats almost .5 second per move on average! Probaly the only way to achieve this
>>is to have a very small chess board on your screen, so there is less traveling
>>time! Thats still very fast, but thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
>
>I do not agree thats what makes them the Grandmasters!
>
>I cannot play in the speed of 50 moves in under 30 seconds in ICC even if I try
>to play only 1.a3 2.Ra2 3.Ra1 4.Ra2 5.Ra1....
>
>I tried it in ICC as a guest some monthes ago and I cannot do it.
>
>I can do it in real chessboard because I know that the opponent is going to play
>before so I am ready to do a move but in ICC I have no idea when the opponent is
>going to play.
>
>Is there a way to laern how to do it?
>
>It is not about knowledge about chess.
>
>Uri
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I have to disagree with you on this, Uri!
To play a move this fast and still play a pretty good game, it takes alot of
chess knowledge! For instance, if you know your Openings inside and out along
with being very familiar with the middle game that came from this opening that
you know so well, then you "wont" need to use as much time thinking what to do
next after your opponent makes his move! "I know this from experience"!
Sure almost anyone if asked, could move very fast on the board if this was the
only thing he had to worry about, but to move very fast and still make a very
good move for the majority of your moves, then this also takes much knowledge of
the game!!
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Terry
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