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Subject: Re: 1989 opinion poll and idea for new poll question

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 15:57:27 07/15/99

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On July 15, 1999 at 17:30:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 15, 1999 at 01:44:39, Paulo Soares wrote:
>
>>On July 14, 1999 at 16:25:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 14, 1999 at 15:13:59, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello
>>>>In 1989, at the world computer chess championship in Edmonton, David Levy asked
>>>>participants:
>>>>"In what year do you think a chess program will be able to defeat the human
>>>>world champion?"
>>>>Here are the answers.
>>>>Year    Names
>>>>1992    Gyula Horvath, Monty Newborn
>>>>1993    John McCarthy
>>>>1994    Hans Berliner, Marty Hirsch, Feng-hsuing Hsu
>>>>1995    Murray Campbell, Larry Kaufmann, David Kittinger, Danny Kopec, Donald
>>>>       Mitchie, David Slate, Mike Valvo
>>>>1997    John Stanbeck
>>>>1998    Kevin O'connell
>>>>1999    Ed Felton, Tom Pronk, Sidney Samole, Claude Shannon, Jos Uiterwijk
>>>>2000    Robert Hyatt, GM Kevin Spraggett, Victor Vikhrev, Jaap van den Herik
>>>>2001    Jurg Nivergelt, Mark Taylor
>>>>2002    IM Julio Kaplan
>>>>2005    Richard Lang, Pierre Nolet, Ard van Bergen
>>>>2008    Harry Nelson
>>>>2010    Don Dailey, Ossi Weiner
>>>>2011    Lars Hjorth
>>>>2013    Tony Scherzer
>>>>2014    David Levy
>>>>2020    Tony Marsland
>>>>2025    Dap Hartmann
>>>>2030    Franz Morsch
>>>>2040    Jonathan Schaeffer
>>>>2050    Harm Bakker
>>>>2056    Helmut Horacek
>>>>NEVER   David Cahlander
>>>>
>>>>The mean average of these predictions is the year 2005.
>>>>I thought it might be interesting to formulate a new opinion poll question
>>>>asking "In what year do you think a computer chess program will be able to
>>>>defeat the human world champion in a 20 game 40/2 match?"
>>>>Any feedback is welcome.
>>>>Regards
>>>>Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd answer 1998.  I think DB would have beaten Kasparov in 20 games just
>>>as it did in 6 games.  He already had a fork stuck in him by game 5.  He
>>>was "done" I think...
>>
>>Robert,
>>
>>DB did not won  Kasparov, I find more correct to place that
>>Kasparov lost for DB.
>>
>>Paulo Soares, from Brazil
>
>
>The game only has three states, win, lose and draw.  DB had more "W's" than
>Kasparov...

To say in win, lose or draw, I believe that depends of the
conditions of the games and the moves that had been
played. In the case of this match, in my opinion, still is
not proven that a computer can win the world champion.

Paulo Soares



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