Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Question

Author: pete

Date: 14:31:25 07/19/99

Go up one level in this thread


On July 19, 1999 at 10:05:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On July 18, 1999 at 22:52:23, K1 wrote:
>
>>I have started such a site for winboard programs, strictly for fun. URL is at :
>>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Base/5978/
>>Regards.
>
>Those old times: if we all would be still playing 40 moves in 5 minutes
>at a P75 with 32 mb RAM, so actual speed is
>a P37.5
>
>Let's calculate a little:
>
>a P133 is exactly 3 times slower for DIEP as a Pentium pro200.
>a PII450 is a little bit more than 2 times faster than a PRO200.
>
>So a PII450 is about 4 x 3 x (133/37.5) times faster = 45 times faster.
>
>Let's see: 40 moves in 300 seconds = 7.5 seconds a move.
>That's 7.5 / 45 = 0.167 seconds a move at a PII450.
>
>Gotta be a 1 ply search a move tournament...
>...and winner is a prog searching 2 ply i bet?
>...hopefully you have good old genius somewhere, cuz
>it loves those tournaments...
>
>I still didn't take into account
>the small hashsize which caused huge
>swapping playing the engines against each other.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>distinct winboard programmes + 3 older versions (#30 to #32, to make total
>number of competitors = 32)
>
>Knock out system (alphabetical order for #1 to #29! Drawn game replayed until
>winner emerged)
>Time control : 40 moves/5mins
>Hardware/OS : Toshiba Libretto, Pentium 75mHz, 32mb ram, Windows 95
>All games played using Tim Mann’s Winboard ver 4.0.2

I also have one of those slow computers a P133 ; 16 MB RAM; and I sometimes like
to watch games between two computers ( similar to watching TV )

And as the other one is P233MMX or PII300 I know only one prog that can keep up
with the ones on the faster computer; and this _is_ genius .

I noticed you seem to hate genius ; how come ? And why do people think it is
dumb ? The moves it makes are usually sensible ; not always the best ones but
never real bad ones , which is not always true of the best progs now.

It is simple truth that on very slow hardware genius is still one of the if not
_the_ absolute best ; and it seems to be also true that genius profits much les
than other progs from faster hardware .

Now can you explain why everyone thinks genius is dumb ? from a naive point of
view one could also state the complete opposite.

and there is one field where genius still seems to rule ; despite of all the
tablebase stuff ; and this is complex endings; again something not sounding dumb
:)

now everyone also seems to agree that genius is basically the same since genius3
; and this is reproducable as genius3 scores the same as genius 6 ; so , maybe
it is just a prog with no serious development in the last years ?


This is a sensible question and I hope you won't feel offended.

Pete





This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.