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Subject: Re: I'm not convinced, Bruce.

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 09:04:38 07/23/99

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On July 23, 1999 at 07:15:15, Roger D Davis wrote:

>If there's a mechanism, then I must have missed it. What mechanism already
>exists that empowers a moderator to delete another moderator's posts? Moderators
>delete posts at different thresholds of relevance, we know that. Assume that
>Moderator A deletes Moderator B's posts. Moderator B then gets pisses and adopts
>a low threshold for deleting Moderator A's posts. He doesn't delete obviously on
>target posts, just those for which a defensible argument of irrelevance can be
>created. So then the two argue and argue about it, and have a little war. You
>don't need to be Bruce or Fernando to have such a war, or to create ill will.

I think you are becoming overly legalistic.  It would be possible to write a
giant constitution that covered every possibility, established rules for what to
do if a moderator is incapacitated, established very strict post deletion rules,
covered rules for removal of a moderator, etc.

We don't have such a thing.  We have three moderators, a charter, and a password
that allows us to delete posts.

I thought that Fernando's post was flagrant enough that it needed to go away,
now.  Fernando got bent out of shape.  He may not have been bent out of shape if
I'd waited around for a second opinion by KD.  I didn't know how long it was
going to be before KD appeared, it's not like I was going to send him an email
and hope he was on.  If I'd made a mistake, and he was on, he got the email and
could have posted something back to me that evening.  As it was we didn't hear
from KD until the middle of the next day, well after Fernando suicided in the

>I didn't say we did that. I said that Bruce's actions would be perceived as
>being congruent with democratic principles.

Deleting a post can be done with common sense.  You can look at the post and
guess how people will react.  I forwarded the post to the CCC moderator alias,
which included KD and Fernando, as well as Steve.

A big freakout does not have to ensue.  If it turns out that I made a mistake,
it can be corrected in responses to that mail, and offended parties can be
apologized to and the post can be reposted.

I've never heard of an instance though where two moderators disagreed with a
post deletion by the third, but it is possible.  It's not like everyone dies and
the group goes to hell if this happens.

This is not people being banned or executed or something.  It's whether or not
to expeditiously delete a dirty joke posted in its own thread, by someone who
should know better.  I saw the post.  I thought about what to do.  And I made a
decision to delete it.  This is not some sort of palace coup or descent into


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