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Subject: Re: I see 2 minor problems

Author: James Robertson

Date: 09:57:34 07/23/99

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On July 23, 1999 at 09:02:57, Harald Faber wrote:

>As far as I can see it without knowing Fernandos post, there are 2 problems
>1) Fernando kind of overreacted due to his message deletion.
>2) Bruce who strictly sticks to the charter.
>My personal point of view is that (1) COULD/SHOULD be no problem. When I was
>moderator there were also messages deleted that I had written. I had no problem
>with that. I was not very lucky about that but I understood and accepted that at
>least another moderator saw my posts as inappropriate. Where is the problem to
>say, OK, maybe it was wrong and shouldn't be posted here? I know that there are
>some guys having big problems with that, some left CCC because of such.
>TOLERANCE is the keyword. A bit more tolerance instead of being stubborn and
>feeling offended.
>The same for Bruce. A bit more tolerance and he wouldn't have deleted that joke.
>I am totally aware that this here is a computer chess club, but do we have to
>stick that strictly to this? Offtopics should be handled with appropriate
>sensitivity. Jokes with Nazis, sodomy etc. are certainly not tolerable but I
>don't assume Fernando having made such a joke.
>So PROBABLY there wouldn't have a problem risen if more T O L E R A N C E would
>exist. That's all I expect from everyone her. And I don't think that I expect
>too much.
>Think about it.
>Harald Faber, glad not to have been elected :-)

I will play devil's advocate: the problem with tolerance is who's definition of
"tolerance" do we accept? How "tolerant" should we be? Why should _your_
definition of "tolerance" be the one used? Why should a joke with Nazis be bad
but one with sexual content acceptable? Why should ANYTHING be unacceptable? Can
you explain the difference between a joke with Nazis, and one with sexual

My point is, my view that both jokes should be deleted is not everyone's. As a
result, we need some independent guidlines.

But we do have guidlines, laid out in the CCC charter. It says BOTH groups of
jokes are wrong, so delete them and don't look back.


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