Author: Melvin S. Schwartz
Date: 20:59:39 07/23/99
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On July 23, 1999 at 23:25:30, Terry Ripple wrote:
>On July 23, 1999 at 22:44:48, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>rnbk3r/pp4bp/1qp2pP1/3p3B/4p2N/2P5/PPP3PP/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1
>>
>>I have saved a opening position in Hiarcs 7.32 after the "weak move" a4 played
>>by Hiarcs 7.32, just to see if other programs could beat Hiarcs 7.32 after the
>>blunder move of 13. a4. As you can see both junior and Fritz think they have the
>>better position, only Hiarcs 7.32 understands it has the better position for
>>start to finish. And it crushes both programs. If a4 is a blunder it is not easy
>>to refute.
>>
>>
>>
>>[Event "Blitz:25'"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "1999.07.23"]
>>[Round "1"]
>>[White "Hiarcs 7.32"]
>>[Black "Junior 5.0"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "C42"]
>>[PlyCount "101"]
>>
>>{W=8.7 ply, B=13.6ply} 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nxe4 4. Nc3 Nxc3 5. dxc3 f6
>>6. Nh4 g6 7. f4 c6 8. f5 d5 9. fxg6 Bg7 10. Bd3 e4 11. Be2 Qb6 12. Bh5 Kd8 13.
>>a4 {Both last book move} 13... Be6 {-0.03/14 77} 14. a5 {0.85/8 32} 14... Qc5 {
>>0.14/14 51} 15. Qe2 {(Rf1) 0.86/8 30} 15... Na6 {(Qc4) -0.04/14 53} 16. Be3 {
>>(g3) 1.19/8 25} 16... Qb5 {(Qd6) 0.10/14 39} 17. Qxb5 {(0-0) 1.28/9 43} 17...
>>cxb5 {0.04/13 10} 18. Be2 {1.16/10 50} 18... Nc7 {0.47/16 73} 19. O-O {
>>(0-0-0) 1.16/9 18} 19... hxg6 {(Kd7) 0.46/15 33} 20. Nxg6 {1.25/10 35} 20...
>>Rh7 {(Rg8) 0.55/15 42} 21. Nf4 {(Rad1) 1.37/9 31} 21... Kd7 {0.69/15 40} 22.
>>Nxe6 {1.32/9 37} 22... Kxe6 {0.86/14 43} 23. Bg4+ {1.23/9 39} 23... Kf7 {
>>1.01/15 55} 24. Rad1 {1.32/9 31} 24... Bh6 {(Bf8) 0.73/14 44} 25. Bd4 {
>>1.80/9 30} 25... Bg5 {0.90/14 56} 26. Be5 {(Rf5) 1.57/9 50} 26... Kg8 {
>>(Rg7) 1.05/13 76} 27. Bf5 {1.91/9 28} 27... Re7 {(Rg7) 1.19/14 38} 28. Bxc7 {
>>1.97/9 27} 28... Rxc7 {1.18/13 20} 29. Rxd5 {1.97/10 27} 29... e3 {1.25/14 54}
>>30. Rxb5 {1.97/9 26} 30... Re7 {(Re8) 1.26/12 23} 31. Re1 {(Bd3) 1.96/9 25}
>>31... Rd8 {(Rae8) 1.39/14 28} 32. Bd3 {(Rb4) 2.10/8 17} 32... Rd6 {
>>(Rde8) 1.62/14 36} 33. g3 {2.31/9 24} 33... Bh6 {1.74/14 47} 34. Kg2 {
>>(h4) 2.41/9 23} 34... Kg7 {(Kf8) 1.75/14 23} 35. h4 {2.47/9 13} 35... Red7 {
>>(Rde6) 1.80/14 18} 36. Kf3 {(Re2) 2.55/8 15} 36... Rf7 {(Rd5) 1.86/14 19} 37.
>>g4 {(Rb4) 2.97/9 24} 37... a6 {(Kh8) 2.11/12 15} 38. Rf5 {3.33/9 21} 38... Rd8
>>{2.43/14 14} 39. Rf1 {(Ke2) 3.83/9 21} 39... Kf8 {(Rff8) 3.42/14 21} 40. Ke2 {
>>5.14/9 20} 40... Bg7 {3.81/14 13} 41. g5 {5.23/9 18} 41... Bh8 {3.87/13 26} 42.
>>Be4 {(Kxe3) 5.23/8 14} 42... Rd6 {3.65/12 16} 43. h5 {(Kxe3) 5.13/8 25} 43...
>>Rh7 {(Re7) 3.93/13 56} 44. h6 {5.60/8 26} 44... Re7 {4.19/12 17} 45. Kxe3 {
>>5.96/8 17} 45... b5 {(Rde6) 4.24/13 16} 46. axb6 {(g6) 6.41/8 14} 46... Rxb6 {
>>4.72/12 19} 47. g6 {6.41/8 17} 47... Rbe6 {(Re8) 4.97/13 17} 48. R1f4 {
>>(g7+) 6.90/8 16} 48... Rd7 {(Rd6) 5.05/12 19} 49. Rc5 {(g7+) 7.42/8 8} 49...
>>Re8 {5.76/13 11} 50. Rc6 {7.37/8 18} 50... Kg8 {(Rde7) 6.01/12 7} 51. Rxa6 {
>>(g7). adjud. 8.27/8 20} 1-0
>>
>>[Event "Blitz:25'"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "1999.07.23"]
>>[Round "1"]
>>[White "Hiarcs 7.32"]
>>[Black "Fritz 5.00/16Bit"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "C42"]
>>[PlyCount "83"]
>>
>>{W=6.3 ply, B=8.5ply} 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nxe4 4. Nc3 Nxc3 5. dxc3 f6 6.
>>Nh4 g6 7. f4 c6 8. f5 d5 9. fxg6 Bg7 10. Bd3 e4 11. Be2 Qb6 12. Bh5 Kd8 13. a4
>>{Both last book move} 13... Be6 {-0.53/11 60} 14. a5 {0.85/8 31} 14... Qc5 {
>>-0.47/11 44} 15. Qe2 {(gxh7) 0.86/8 36} 15... Qd6 {(Qc4) -0.38/11 58} 16. O-O {
>>1.13/8 43} 16... Nd7 {-0.88/10 31} 17. a6 {0.73/8 98} 17... bxa6 {
>>(b5) -0.72/10 55} 18. Bf4 {0.83/7 84} 18... Ne5 {-0.69/10 52} 19. Rxa6 {
>>0.95/7 33} 19... Bc8 {(Qc5+) -0.63/9 28} 20. Ra2 {(Raa1) 0.97/7 45} 20... a5 {
>>(Qc5+) -0.53/9 47} 21. Rfa1 {0.98/7 30} 21... Qb8 {(Qc7) -0.44/8 35} 22. b3 {
>>0.98/7 44} 22... Be6 {(Qc7) -0.56/8 33} 23. c4 {(b4) 0.90/7 74} 23... dxc4 {
>>-0.41/8 44} 24. Qxe4 {(Rd1+) 0.91/6 26} 24... cxb3 {-0.13/8 42} 25. cxb3 {
>>1.10/6 26} 25... Qb6+ {(hxg6) -0.28/8 39} 26. Be3 {1.15/7 42} 26... Qxb3 {
>>-0.50/9 30} 27. Qd4+ {1.40/6 18} 27... Kc8 {(Bd7) -0.44/9 26} 28. Rxa5 {
>>1.75/6 13} 28... Rxa5 {0.81/10 36} 29. Rxa5 {1.85/7 23} 29... hxg6 {
>>(Qb8) 1.19/9 27} 30. Ra8+ {2.23/7 22} 30... Kc7 {2.03/11 34} 31. Ra7+ {
>>(Qa7+) 5.30/7 22} 31... Kc8 {1.91/10 32} 32. Nxg6 {(Be2) 5.98/7 21} 32... Qb1+
>>{3.66/9 31} 33. Bd1 {6.23/7 21} 33... Nf3+ {6.06/10 30} 34. gxf3 {9.89/7 20}
>>34... Qxg6+ {7.75/9 23} 35. Kh1 {(Kf1) 12.20/8 20} 35... Qh5 {(Qb1) 10.84/9 17}
>>36. Ra8+ {(Bf4) #10/5 5} 36... Kc7 {#6/9 4} 37. Bf4+ {#8/5 2} 37... Qe5 {#5/8 1
>>} 38. Bxe5+ {#7/4 1} 38... fxe5 {#4/6 1} 39. Ra7+ {#4/4 0} 39... Kc8 {#3/5 1}
>>40. Qd6 {#3/3 0} 40... Rxh2+ {#2/3 1} 41. Kxh2 {#4/1 0} 41... e4 {(Bh8) #1/1 0}
>>42. Qc7# {#1/1 0} 1-0
>-------
>Hi Mark and Mel,
> My Hiarcs7.32 shows a4 for 20 min. before i stopped it and it says =(0.20).
>It was looking 11/30 at that point in its search.
> I showed a friend of mine the position who is the Pennsylvania State Champ for
>3 years in a row and he also likes a4 and agrees with Hiarcs analysis!!!
>A big hand for Hiarcs!!!! GoGOGOOoooooo!!!!
>-------
>Terry
Hello Terry,
The game was 40/2. Hiarcs selected a4 and after making the move, the score
dropped to a minus! Now, I let Hiarcs replay the move and it selected Rf1 with a
plus score. Now, I again let it replay the move and again it selected Rf1.
Obviously Hiarcs learning function would not let it select a4 again. I think you
both are rooting so hard for Hiarcs that objectivity has become impossible. It
doesn't matter what your friend likes; it matters what Hiarcs likes. And Hiarcs
would not repeat a4 but only keep repeating Rf1. Now, if you and your friend
think a4 is a good move, and Hiarcs changed its selection to Rf1, then how do
you explain the reason Hiarcs would not repeat a4 but only insist on playing
Rf1??
Be objective.
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