Author: Terry Presgrove
Date: 22:26:29 07/23/99
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On July 24, 1999 at 00:57:09, KarinsDad wrote: >On July 23, 1999 at 21:42:04, Terry Presgrove wrote: > >[snip] >> >> That is B.S. .... you mean a man cannot even defend himself in this forum on >> a topic that is directly related to the buisness of the CCC? Now comes the >>"rule with Iron fist's " mentality? If the subject doesn't fit into your narrow >> view of what is " on topic " delete it. Well I've got news for you sir this is >> O-N T-O-P-I-C and there is no way you can hide from that. >> TP > >Terry, > >Yes, discussions on moderation are always on topic. > >But don't you think that 150+ posts on this particular insanity are enough? It >will probably be close to 250 or more by the time this one blows over. > >I have been having Emails with Fernando and quite frankly, I do not understand >why he got SO bent out of shape in the first place. A simple stupid nothing of a >demented religious sexual joke of a post got deleted. Big deal. It should have >meant nothing to nobody. Instead, it got blown up into the biggest controversy >in 6 months. > >I really am not trying to be fascist here. I'm trying to get us back on track. >And quite frankly, that means discussions on computer chess as the norm and >discussion on moderation as the exception. > >And the point I was trying to make in that previous post was not that I want to >yellow card Fernando. I want to stop the insanity. And I see Fernando as the >person who keeps starting it (first with the sexist thread 3 weeks ago, then >with the joke post, then with the resignation proclamation, then with the >reposting in Spanish), who then propogates it, and then posts brand new Emails >at the top of the page to continue it yet again. > >Starting a new post displays his opinion of it right at the top of the heap. It >is a nice technique to ensure that his post will not be lost in the middle of >the huge moderation thread. And, it is a nice technique to start it all back up >again. That is what I want to stop. > >I do not mind people continuing to add to the growing moderation threads that >are already there. I mind troublemakers starting new ones and right now, >Fernando is on the top of my troublemaker list. In fact, he is the only person >on that list. And it is so unfortunate and so unneccessary. > >KarinsDad :( I agree that all the talk so far does not seem to be leading us in a positive direction, but I do think there is a much larger question here than the dirty joke post. I would refer you to the Constitutional post above and the one by Amir Ban. No one is perfect, it is quite possible that the post needed to be deleted, but the larger question has to do with you guys ( the modertors) not having resolved moderator issues before it got to this point. Even taking you and Bruces word for the post being at least inappropriate and if 90% of the membership would have been outraged by it ( which I'm sure wouldn't have) there should have been established by you three moderators proceedures for such self moderations as Amir pointed out. Of couse all of this is hind sight now but I would hope that this unfortunate event would lead to clear cut guidelines by whoever is left so that this never happens again. Perhaps we might have a constitutional convention whereby moderator guidelines are established. We could elect a dozen or so members to work out the details and incorporate them into the constituion. Moderators will not always agree with each other and if we hope to avoid this turmoil in the future it is imperative that we get this issue resolved once and for all. TP
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