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Subject: Re: To Mark Young: Part 2

Author: Melvin S. Schwartz

Date: 22:44:49 07/23/99

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On July 24, 1999 at 01:04:19, Mark Young wrote:

>On July 24, 1999 at 00:14:32, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote:
>
>>The game as I stated in my original post was at 40/2. Hiarcs selected a4 and
>>after making the move its score dropped to a minus. I therefore allowed Hiarcs
>>to replay the move.
>
>It still makes no sense to me why you would do this.
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I did it for the simple fact that after a4 the score went from a plus to a minus
and I was curious if Hiarcs would play what I thought a bad move again - it did
not.
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> Hiarcs then selected Rf1. I again let Hiarcs replay the move
>>and again it selected Rf1.
>
>My Hiarcs 7.32 still likes a4 with a nice + score.
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This is very strange indeed. I know what I saw and I know that Hiarcs would not
repeat a4.
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>>
>>Now, I believe it is quite evident that Hiarcs learning function did not allow
>>it to replay a4 and insisted on playing Rf1. If you think a4 was not a bad move,
>>then how come Hiarcs would not play it again and insisted on Rf1
>
>My programs still plays a4....Show us the line you are
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There is no line because the game continued with Rf1 - and I gave you the line
from that point on.
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talking about that
>dropped hiarcs 7 score to a minus after the move a4.
>
>
>>
>>By the way, your headline in the post to me is not appreciated. I expected an
>>intelligent discussion about this and not some silly rhetoric.
>
>No you do not...you reject what I said about the position out of hand. You have
>given nothing back to this discussion. Here is your reply
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I gave you all the information needed. There is absolutely nothing I can add for
as I told you from the beginning, Hiarcs would not replay a4 and insisted on Rf1
- and I gave you the line thereafter! There is nothing- NOTHING further I can
add. If a4 is so good - why didn't Hiarcs play it again? Do you expect me to go
back and put in a4 to make you happy and play the game again? Mark, I have lots
of other things to do. I am playing in a tournament; I have painting to do; I
have yard work to do; I have a family that likes to go places. Sorry, I am not
going back to that game - life moves on. If you disagree, I can live with that.
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>_______________________
>"For me to go back to that game and analyze
>the position would be very time consuming. If you set up the position before a4
>and let Hiarcs select a move, see what it plays and notice the score by HIarcs
>while waiting for a reply. Next, have Hiarcs replay the move and see WHAT move
>Hiarcs selects. That should solve the issue. If a4 was not a bad move, why would
>it keep playing Rf1 instead???"
>________________________
>
>Well I did what you ask...and Hiarcs still plays a4. I
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Yes, Hiarcs played a4 in my game too. Have you let it think for awhile after the
move and then have Hiarcs replay the move at 40/2?

took the time and
>analyzed the position...something you were not will to do. I even let other
>programs take the stronger side "in your opinion" to see
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You played Blitz not 40/2.
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if they could bust the
>move a4 of Hiarcs 7.32 which you claim is weak and a loser. I showed the game
>results and my reasoning about the position. In turn you have given nothing
>back, and in turn just stick to your claim that a4 is an example of hiarcs 7.32
>weak play and and by this shows proof that Hiarcs 7.32 is a weak program.
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I never said Hiarcs is a weak program. I said very clearly that Hiarcs is not a
bad program just not a great program. You can go back and look at my original
post to you under the title: To Mark Young. It states there exactly what I said
to you.
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>
>>examples and I gave you some. You insist on dwelling on this trying to dispute
>>even the program you are raving about. Hiarcs recognized a4 was bad and that's
>>why it wouldn't play it again - unless you have some better explanation?
>
>My Hiarcs 7.32 still plays a4.
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I answered this above.
>
>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mel



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