Author: Mark Young
Date: 11:44:22 07/24/99
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On July 24, 1999 at 14:39:46, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >On July 24, 1999 at 14:08:16, Mark Young wrote: > >>On July 24, 1999 at 14:00:11, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >> >>> >>>On July 24, 1999 at 12:40:32, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:36:46, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:21:39, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On July 24, 1999 at 04:43:06, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Mel, >>>>>>> I did exactly as you instructed and ran it from that Position on 40/2hr. and >>>>>>>when Hiarcs7.32 made the move a4 (0.59/9), i then left Hiarcs continue to think >>>>>>>on my time as if i was playing Hiarcs in a tournament setting and at no time did >>>>>>>Hiarcs ever think it was in the "negative" and in fact Hiarcs kept a small >>>>>>>plus(.46/10) for up to a "full 10 min." of its thinking on my time! I then >>>>>>>repeated the same position before the move a4 and Hiarcs "STILL" wants to make >>>>>>>the very "Same Move"- "a4". The position learning was working because before it >>>>>>>showed in its analysis 2.a4, Nd7 3.a5, etc. but after i left it think on my time >>>>>>>and tried the position once again it then was showing 2.a4, Nd7 3.Nf5,etc. >>>>>>> This leads me to believe that if Mark and i are getting the same conclusions >>>>>>>from our Hiarcs Program, that it dont take a "Rocket Scientist" to draw a >>>>>>>conclusion that there must be something thats conflicting in your Hiarcs set-up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, Terry >>>>>> >>>>>>I gave my hiarcs7.32 64 Mb hash tables and some hours on my pentium200 and at >>>>>>depth 11/30 it wants to play >>>>>>Rb1 instead of a4. >>>>>> >>>>>>I did not look at the screen so I do not know when Hiarcs changed its mind >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>>Now it wants to play Rf1 at the same depth with evaluation 0.31 after more than >>>>>3 hours >>>> >>>>The game was played at 40/2. The question is not if hiarcs 7.32 will play Rf1, >>>>the question is, is a4 played by Hiarcs 7.32 at 40/2 a blunder? This was the >>>>claim. >>>_______________ >>> >>>Now, Mark, you insisted Hiarcs only chose a4, so how come we now have Mr. Blass >>>reporting that after 3 hours it wants to play Rf1? >>> >>>Mark, when I posted the examples for you, I used the words "bad move". Now, I >>>gave you the reason why I said that because Hiarcs changed from a4 to Rf1. Very >>>simple. Also, in this same game at move 20 Hiarcs played and it stayed Qd2 - Do >>>you think that was a good move? >>> >>>>> >>>>>Uri >> >>Hey, slow person. Terry and I followed your instructions, >__________________ > >Okay, Mark, as in the past you once again resort to using distasteful comments. >I will not lower myself to your level of thinking and use similar words in >response. I am only interested in debating an issue with someone who does not >look to inflame the argument with degrading remarks. I have many more important >things to do than to continue this issue and accept your insulting remarks. Then don't misrepersent what you instructed us do in YOUR INSTRUCTION. And Then ask why we did not find the Results uri found. You never ask to to let the program search for 3 Hours and see what move it makes. So dont insult me. > >____________________________________________________ > >and it was not to see >>what Hiarcs 7.32 would play after 3 hours. My Hiarcs 7.32 still plays a4 for the >>full 11 plys. So explain that. >> >>New position >>rnbk3r/pp4bp/1qp2pP1/3p3B/4p2N/2P5/PPP3PP/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32: >> >>12.Rf1 hxg6 13.Nxg6 >> ² (0.45) depth: 1 00:00:00 >>12.Rf1 hxg6 13.Nxg6 >> ² (0.45) depth: 2/5 00:00:00 >>12.Rf1 hxg6 13.Nxg6 >> ² (0.45) depth: 3/9 00:00:00 >>12.Rf1 Be6 >> = (0.20) depth: 4/10 00:00:00 >>12.Rf1 Be6 13.Qe2 hxg6 14.Nxg6 >> = (0.01) depth: 4/10 00:00:00 >>12.g3 Bd7 13.Qd4 hxg6 14.Bxg6 >> = (0.14) depth: 4/10 00:00:00 >>12.g3 Bd7 13.Qe2 c5 14.Bg4 >> = (0.01) depth: 5/17 00:00:00 8kN >>12.Rb1 Be6 13.Bf4 hxg6 14.Nxg6 >> ² (0.28) depth: 5/17 00:00:01 42kN >>12.Rb1 Qa5 13.Bf4 Qxa2 14.0-0 Na6 >> = (0.23) depth: 6/21 00:00:02 69kN >>12.Rb1 hxg6 13.Nxg6 Rh7 14.Bf4 Be6 15.Qe2 c5 >> ² (0.41) depth: 7/23 00:00:06 211kN >>12.Rb1 Nd7 >> = (0.16) depth: 8/25 00:00:14 477kN >>12.Rb1 Nd7 13.Bf4 Ne5 14.gxh7 Rxh7 >> = (0.08) depth: 8/27 00:00:17 595kN >>12.a4 a5 13.Ra3 hxg6 >> ² (0.31) depth: 8/27 00:01:13 2397kN >>12.a4 Nd7 13.a5 Qc5 14.Qe2 Ne5 15.Be3 Qd6 16.gxh7 Nc4 17.Ng6 Rxh7 >> ² (0.26) depth: 9/27 00:01:56 3805kN >>12.a4 hxg6 13.Nxg6 Rh7 14.a5 Qc5 15.Bf4 Na6 16.Rf1 Qb5 17.b3 Qc5 18.c4 Qb4+ >>19.Kf2 >> ² (0.35) depth: 10/29 00:05:40 10900kN >>12.a4 Nd7 >> = (0.10) depth: 11/30 00:11:01 21447kN >>12.a4 Nd7 13.a5 Qc5 14.Nf5 Ne5 15.Nxg7 hxg6 16.a6 >> = (0.09) depth: 11/30 00:13:13 25871kN >> >>(Young, 7/24/99)
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