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Subject: Re: Opinion Poll suggestion: Fernando's post.

Author: Roger D Davis

Date: 16:51:46 07/24/99

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On July 24, 1999 at 12:09:38, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On July 24, 1999 at 09:34:14, Roger D Davis wrote:
>
>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:54:09, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:05:06, Roger D Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 24, 1999 at 00:50:54, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Two out of the three moderators thought it was inappropriate.  Isn't that
>>>>>adequate?
>>>>>
>>>>>Before the objection arises: no, it's not every time that two out of three
>>>>>moderators agree with my viewpoint.  Sometimes it's only 0 or 1. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's exactly the point, it wasn't adequate. The divisiveness of the issue has
>>>>already shown that, as evidenced by the huge debate that took place about it.
>>>>KarinsDad even pointed to more strict and more lenient camps here in CCC.
>>>
>>>I think it was adequate.
>>>
>>
>>I would disagree.
>
>My point originally was that the agreement of 2 of 3 moderators is adequate for
>me, whether or not the decision they make is one that I like.  I just have to
>live with it.

My understanding was the Bruce deleted Fernando's post and that KarinsDad
concurred after the fact. Two of three was established post hoc. As you are
aware, I have argued that we need a mechanism whereby the moderators can
moderate themselves when such situations occur, getting 2 of 3 before the
remaining moderator's post can be deleted.

>
>I can imagine situations where I would get bent out of shape even if 2 of 3
>moderators decided against what I'd like to see happen, but usually I just
>console myself with the thought that the world does not revolve around me, and
>that if people want to do things differently, it's up to them.
>
>>>>As for as the "two of three" agrument goes, that was established after the fact
>>>>(I had suggested earlier, in a post that you replied to, that two of three be
>>>>established before the fact...the fact of deletion, that is). You might read
>>>>Amir Ban's post, as well.
>>>
>>>I did -- and replied.
>>>
>>>>Moreover, it costs only a little bit of HTML code and text to do it, and the
>>>>information return on the investment is tremendous, and the time could not more
>>>>opportune.
>>>>
>>>>I say use Fernando's post as the acid test of what should be allowed and let the
>>>>CCC members speak for what they want... I don't know how it's going to turn out,
>>>>but either way, it gives the moderators a mandate for moderating.
>>>>
>>>>Roger
>>>
>>>Moderators ran on a platform.  Bruce is just being consistent with how he's
>>>always moderated, and he had the most votes by a fair margin.  I'd say he had
>>>the mandate he needs already.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>With regard to moderating the group in general, the current crew has done a good
>>job, I think. I think the current way of doing things has failed with regard to
>>the moderators moderating themselves. Having the most votes is irrelevant to
>>this point, IMHO, since this is an exceptional situation.
>>
>>Roger
>
>Moderators are in place to handle exceptional situations, by definition.
>
>Pun intended. :)
>
>Dave

I guess one moderator moderating another is two orders of "exceptionalness,"
then.

Roger



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